[meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl Esparza

From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:40:41 -0400
Message-ID: <e51421550907171340p7d0530c0x384d97efe5ae97d3_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mike, Steve, Greg, and List,

If everyone who hunts the strewnfield puts science first and properly
logs the coordinates of each find, mapping the strewnfield, and
providing specimens to scientific institutions, then what is the harm
in having more boots on the ground to hunt?

I think the issue here is mutual mistrust between some people on the
List. Obviously people don't trust each other's motives to hunt.

Keeping the site secret implies that any outside help will be a
hinderance and that the science will suffer the consequences. I am
wagering that Dr. Jack called on Mr. Farmer to assist because Farmer
gets results - like him or not. But by turning away additional help,
Jack and Mike might have judged some people wrong or given the wrong
impression for the reasons behind their decision to keep the location
a secret. Is it personal feelings? Jack and Mike don't like Carl, so
they turned him away from helping? Is it that simple? Or do they not
trust Carl's motives - that he might pocket finds for himself and not
report or log them? Without knowing the reasons behind the
decision-making, those on the List who are watching, have to draw
their own conclusions. Part of putting science first is to put
personal feelings or prejudices aside. If Jack and Mike were combing
the desert in search of a cure for cancer, would they turn away help?
I just don't understand some of the dynamics going on here - and as
someone who intends to join the hunting fray eventually, I'd like to
understand these things so I don't repeat the same mistakes or
inadvertently make an enemy out of someone who might be an ally to
science later.

Personally, I don't give a rats bottom about the personalities of
people involved in scientific research. I don't care what music they
listen to, what party they vote for, what religion they subscribe to,
or who they voted for on American Idol. I would gladly work a
strewnfield with ANY person who puts SCIENCE FIRST. Maybe I am naive
and I am certainly inexperienced in this respect - but this is how it
appears to some on the List like me. I'm probably not alone in not
understanding what the big issue is here - it's supposed to be about
bringing meteorites to the attention of science in the hopes of making
new discoveries that further our understanding of space and planetary
sciences. I'd much rather find a new petrologic type that sets off a
flurry of research and papers - and have to donate almost the entire
mass to the appropriate institution, then find a bunch of OC's and
hoard them with the intention of making money. I'm not accusing
anyone of the latter - just trying to make a clumsy point.

If science comes first, then I don't understand turning away help.
That's just my 2 cents - actual worth may vary.

Best regards,

MikeG




On 7/17/09, mafer at imagineopals.com <mafer at imagineopals.com> wrote:
> Mike, I'm unsure what he's hunting, meteorites or vehicles...might want to
> look into lowjack or something.
>
> Never can tell, eh?
>
> Mark
>
> On July 17, 5:56 pm Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello list, I was forwarded an email that Carl Esparza, proud IMCA
>> member, sent to some other Arizona residents.
>>
>> IMCA, do you approve of your members, supposedly the people of the
>> highest integrity he, he,he he, stooping to spying on other people? Is
>> there any action that can be taken on this matter.
>>
>> This shows how pitiful some of these people are, too lazy to do their
>> own homework, and so deceitful that they will resort to pitiful spying
>> on other list members rather than do their homework.
>> This type of crap is EXACTLY why you are not welcome.
>>
>> Take this hint, learn how to hunt meteorites and stop trying to worm
>> your way in. It takes work to find a meteorite, not scams.
>>
>> "Hello, Would any of you fellow Arizonians share with me off-List
>> what kind of vehicle Mike Farmer drives. Hint- I have been hunting the
>> Benson area Fall and don't know what kind or color of cars to look for.
>> I promise to share results if any. Thank you. Carl Esparza
>> IMCA 5829
>> Meteoritemax"
>>
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