[meteorite-list] Willamette

From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:51:03 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <648048.95426.qm_at_web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Darryl -

I must say that your own correspondence on this this year has been much better than last year's, I wish that others would follow your lead in keeping a civil tone, and limiting their derogatory comments. (This is not meant for you, but I am pretty sure that the GR would be very happy to trade their casino for the lands that were taken from them.)

I agree with you about moving on, as I have said about all I want to say on this, but note one last thing:

The agreement between the AMNH and the GR recognized GR's ownership rights.
If in the future, the GR decides to use money from that casino to pursue this, it may leave purchasers in a bind, just as it left you in a bind, and those future binds may come back to haunt you again. Let me emphasize, their lack of current response should not be taken as any indication of their future plans.

Again, I would urge you contact them again, and give them the full particulars of what occurred to you; perhaps if the GR leaders do not offer you a way out, the AMNH leaders may.

You have my sympathy for the position you have inadvertently found yourself in, "dangling in the wind", and for the work that lies before you in finding a way out of it.

Best wishes,
Ed

--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com> wrote:

> From: Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Willamette
> To: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
> Cc: countdeiro at earthlink.net, mail at mhmeteorites.com, meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 2:27 PM
>
>
>
> Hi Again, E.P.,
>
> Thanks for the inherent goodness in your note. I'm
> sorry you're being rebutted by so many on the list; it's
> certainly not the intention to gang up on you.
>
> Similarly, this really isn't about me or what I should
> do. At issue has been the demonstrable interest on the
> part of the GR to acquire Willamette specimens.
>
> Respectfully, I simply cannot accept that the GR
> leadership, the same leadership which saw fit to merge the
> contradictory notions of a "Sacred Mountain" and a "Casino"
> into what is now the "Sacred Mountain Casino" would find it
> awkward and have a "tough time" dealing with me or Matt.
>
> This could have readily been sorted out. The Grand Ronde
> and/or the American Museum of Natural History could have
> easily helped provide a solution if motivated to do so, but
> apparently there was no such motivation and I was left
> dangling in the wind.
>
> You are mistaken in your speculation that the GR has been
> unaware of my interests in finding a happy resolution.
> That's just not accurate. I hope you are now clear as it
> regards the GR's insufficient interest in acquiring portions
> of the meteorite---and again, that's okay.
>
> Let's please agree to move on. This is an old story which
> is fraught with loaded issues which are currently
> irreconcilable. All sides of the story have been told
> and all intentions and agendas have been revealed.
>
>
> All the best, truly,
>
>
> Darryl
>
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2009, at 10:17 AM, E.P. Grondine wrote:
>
> > Hi Darryl, list -
> >
> > Darryl, you have my sympathy for walking into a real
> mess - you traded a meteorite of real value for the
> Willamette piece, and did not know of the problems at the
> time.
> >
> > From what I have seen, generally Native American
> spiritual guides and leadership have a tough time
> dealing with anyone who would desecrate (in their view) a
> religious object.
> >
> > I also think that they don't know you are looking for
> a way out of this mess - that is why I suggest to you that
> you contact them, and carefully explain to them what
> occurred, and the current situation. They will explain to
> you the reasons for their rejection of the 10 kg piece, and
> perhaps help you in finding a good path our of the current
> difficulty.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > E.P. Grondine
> > Man and Impact in the Americas
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Willamette
> >> To: countdeiro at earthlink.net
> >> Cc: mail at mhmeteorites.com,
> "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>,
> meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com,
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 12:05 AM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear List and E.P.:
> >>
> >> Long ago I've come to respect the GR's belief that
> it is
> >> wrong to participate in a financial value being
> placed on a
> >> revered and sacred object---even though I've
> personally
> >> believed that a valuation of such items is only a
> reflection
> >> of the value ascribed by non-tribal members.
> >>
> >> Anyway, let's use your logic, E.P. Don't you
> think if
> >> the GR was sincerely interested in a Willamette
> acquisition
> >> they would have been proactive and reached out to
> a
> >> benefactor by now? Please, take a moment and
> think
> >> about it.
> >>
> >> And then please also consider that when the AMNH
> offered to
> >> provide a ~10 kg specimen to the GR, this was
> also
> >> rejected.
> >>
> >> In short, it would seem compelling the GR is not
> really so
> >> interested in a large specimen of Willamette---and
> that's
> >> okay!
> >>
> >>
> >> Respectfully and Peacefully,
> >>
> >> Darryl
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Darryl
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 10, 2009, at 12:11 AM, countdeiro at earthlink.net
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The Grand Ronde band of American Indians own
> the
> >> largest and most profitable hotel/casino in
> Oregon. Anybody
> >> who is at least 1/8th GR gets a percentage every
> month . I
> >> wouldn't bother either.
> >>> Count Deiro
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Matt Morgan <mail at mhmeteorites.com>
> >>>> Sent: Dec 9, 2009 11:04 PM
> >>>> To: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>,
> >> meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com,
> >> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Willamette
> >>>>
> >>>> FYI, I offered the GR a generous slice of
> my
> >> Willamette and they didn't even respond to
> me. If I
> >> were Darryl, I wouldn't even bother.
> >>>>
> >>>> Matt Morgan
> >>>> ------Original Message------
> >>>> From: E.P. Grondine
> >>>> Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> >>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Willamette
> >>>> Sent: Dec 9, 2009 8:44 PM
> >>>>
> >>>> Darryl -
> >>>>
> >>>> May I suggest to you that perhaps it would
> be best
> >> to find a buyer for the Willamette piece who
> wanted a tax
> >> write off for gifting it back to the Grand Ronde
> peoples? I
> >> don't know their financial situation, or plans,
> but I would
> >> suggest contacting their elders as well before
> doing
> >> anything.
> >>>>
> >>>> E.P. Grondine
> >>>> Man and Impact in the Americas
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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