[meteorite-list] Willamette

From: Darryl Pitt <darryl_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:27:01 -0500
Message-ID: <A2C19747-21FA-43E4-A80E-C42DE7E39FC8_at_dof3.com>

Hi Again, E.P.,

Thanks for the inherent goodness in your note. I'm sorry you're being
rebutted by so many on the list; it's certainly not the intention to
gang up on you.

Similarly, this really isn't about me or what I should do. At issue
has been the demonstrable interest on the part of the GR to acquire
Willamette specimens.

Respectfully, I simply cannot accept that the GR leadership, the same
leadership which saw fit to merge the contradictory notions of a
"Sacred Mountain" and a "Casino" into what is now the "Sacred Mountain
Casino" would find it awkward and have a "tough time" dealing with me
or Matt.

This could have readily been sorted out. The Grand Ronde and/or the
American Museum of Natural History could have easily helped provide a
solution if motivated to do so, but apparently there was no such
motivation and I was left dangling in the wind.

You are mistaken in your speculation that the GR has been unaware of
my interests in finding a happy resolution. That's just not accurate.
I hope you are now clear as it regards the GR's insufficient interest
in acquiring portions of the meteorite---and again, that's okay.

Let's please agree to move on. This is an old story which is fraught
with loaded issues which are currently irreconcilable. All sides of
the story have been told and all intentions and agendas have been
revealed.


All the best, truly,


Darryl



On Dec 10, 2009, at 10:17 AM, E.P. Grondine wrote:

> Hi Darryl, list -
>
> Darryl, you have my sympathy for walking into a real mess - you
> traded a meteorite of real value for the Willamette piece, and did
> not know of the problems at the time.
>
> From what I have seen, generally Native American spiritual guides
> and leadership have a tough time dealing with anyone who would
> desecrate (in their view) a religious object.
>
> I also think that they don't know you are looking for a way out of
> this mess - that is why I suggest to you that you contact them, and
> carefully explain to them what occurred, and the current situation.
> They will explain to you the reasons for their rejection of the 10
> kg piece, and perhaps help you in finding a good path our of the
> current difficulty.
>
> Best wishes,
> E.P. Grondine
> Man and Impact in the Americas
>
>
> --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Willamette
>> To: countdeiro at earthlink.net
>> Cc: mail at mhmeteorites.com, "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>, meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> , meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 12:05 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear List and E.P.:
>>
>> Long ago I've come to respect the GR's belief that it is
>> wrong to participate in a financial value being placed on a
>> revered and sacred object---even though I've personally
>> believed that a valuation of such items is only a reflection
>> of the value ascribed by non-tribal members.
>>
>> Anyway, let's use your logic, E.P. Don't you think if
>> the GR was sincerely interested in a Willamette acquisition
>> they would have been proactive and reached out to a
>> benefactor by now? Please, take a moment and think
>> about it.
>>
>> And then please also consider that when the AMNH offered to
>> provide a ~10 kg specimen to the GR, this was also
>> rejected.
>>
>> In short, it would seem compelling the GR is not really so
>> interested in a large specimen of Willamette---and that's
>> okay!
>>
>>
>> Respectfully and Peacefully,
>>
>> Darryl
>>
>>
>>
>> Darryl
>>
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2009, at 12:11 AM, countdeiro at earthlink.net
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Grand Ronde band of American Indians own the
>> largest and most profitable hotel/casino in Oregon. Anybody
>> who is at least 1/8th GR gets a percentage every month . I
>> wouldn't bother either.
>>> Count Deiro
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Matt Morgan <mail at mhmeteorites.com>
>>>> Sent: Dec 9, 2009 11:04 PM
>>>> To: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>,
>> meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com,
>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Willamette
>>>>
>>>> FYI, I offered the GR a generous slice of my
>> Willamette and they didn't even respond to me. If I
>> were Darryl, I wouldn't even bother.
>>>>
>>>> Matt Morgan
>>>> ------Original Message------
>>>> From: E.P. Grondine
>>>> Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Willamette
>>>> Sent: Dec 9, 2009 8:44 PM
>>>>
>>>> Darryl -
>>>>
>>>> May I suggest to you that perhaps it would be best
>> to find a buyer for the Willamette piece who wanted a tax
>> write off for gifting it back to the Grand Ronde peoples? I
>> don't know their financial situation, or plans, but I would
>> suggest contacting their elders as well before doing
>> anything.
>>>>
>>>> E.P. Grondine
>>>> Man and Impact in the Americas
>>>>
>>>>
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