[meteorite-list] Willamette

From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:17:42 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <375514.73244.qm_at_web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Darryl, list -

Darryl, you have my sympathy for walking into a real mess - you traded a meteorite of real value for the Willamette piece, and did not know of the problems at the time.

>From what I have seen, generally Native American spiritual guides and leadership have a tough time dealing with anyone who would desecrate (in their view) a religious object.

I also think that they don't know you are looking for a way out of this mess - that is why I suggest to you that you contact them, and carefully explain to them what occurred, and the current situation. They will explain to you the reasons for their rejection of the 10 kg piece, and perhaps help you in finding a good path our of the current difficulty.

Best wishes,
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com> wrote:

> From: Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Willamette
> To: countdeiro at earthlink.net
> Cc: mail at mhmeteorites.com, "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>, meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 12:05 AM
>
>
>
>
> Dear List and E.P.:
>
> Long ago I've come to respect the GR's belief that it is
> wrong to participate in a financial value being placed on a
> revered and sacred object---even though I've personally
> believed that a valuation of such items is only a reflection
> of the value ascribed by non-tribal members.
>
> Anyway, let's use your logic, E.P. Don't you think if
> the GR was sincerely interested in a Willamette acquisition
> they would have been proactive and reached out to a
> benefactor by now? Please, take a moment and think
> about it.
>
> And then please also consider that when the AMNH offered to
> provide a ~10 kg specimen to the GR, this was also
> rejected.
>
> In short, it would seem compelling the GR is not really so
> interested in a large specimen of Willamette---and that's
> okay!
>
>
> Respectfully and Peacefully,
>
> Darryl
>
>
>
> Darryl
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2009, at 12:11 AM, countdeiro at earthlink.net
> wrote:
>
> > The Grand Ronde band of American Indians own the
> largest and most profitable hotel/casino in Oregon. Anybody
> who is at least 1/8th GR gets a percentage every month . I
> wouldn't bother either.
> > Count Deiro
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Matt Morgan <mail at mhmeteorites.com>
> >> Sent: Dec 9, 2009 11:04 PM
> >> To: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>,
> meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com,
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Willamette
> >>
> >> FYI, I offered the GR a generous slice of my
> Willamette and they didn't even respond to me. If I
> were Darryl, I wouldn't even bother.
> >>
> >> Matt Morgan
> >> ------Original Message------
> >> From: E.P. Grondine
> >> Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Willamette
> >> Sent: Dec 9, 2009 8:44 PM
> >>
> >> Darryl -
> >>
> >> May I suggest to you that perhaps it would be best
> to find a buyer for the Willamette piece who wanted a tax
> write off for gifting it back to the Grand Ronde peoples? I
> don't know their financial situation, or plans, but I would
> suggest contacting their elders as well before doing
> anything.
> >>
> >> E.P. Grondine
> >> Man and Impact in the Americas
> >>
> >>
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