[meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA

From: John.L.Cabassi <John_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:07:23 -0800
Message-ID: <003901c93df8$33ff1a70$4564fea9_at_TITAN>

G'Day Greg and all
I thought I read that the tank was not stable enough to stand a trip back in
the shuttle and could pose a risk to the shuttle and crew.

Cheers Johnno
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: "Del Waterbury" <paseclipse at yahoo.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA


> why could they not have returned it to earth on a shuttle that was going
> to be returning to earth anyway?
> No extra cost involved there.
>
> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Del Waterbury <paseclipse at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Del Waterbury <paseclipse at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, star_wars_collector at yahoo.com
>> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:14 PM
>> I don't think the taxpayers would be to happy to hear
>> NASA spent millions of dollars to remove a piece of space
>> junk. Letting it enter back into the atmoshphere is the safe
>> and cheapest way to go. Of course we could just let it stay
>> up there and add to the many pieces of space junk already
>> floating around putting astronauts lives in danger.
>>
>> Del
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Greg Catterton
>> <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Greg Catterton
>> <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life
>> - shame on NASA
>> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:06 AM
>> > If that is the case, why was such a big deal made
>> about not
>> > going anywhere near the debris if it had impacted on
>> land
>> > becouse of toxic hazards?
>> >
>> > I agree about the scuttled destroyer, but at the same
>> time,
>> > I dont think that is right to do also.
>> >
>> > Perhaps the toxic nature that has been reported has
>> mislead
>> > me to think that it was more of a big deal then it is,
>> but
>> > it is troubling to think that this was the best thing
>> they
>> > could come up with.
>> > Surely it could have been returned to earth on a
>> shuttle
>> > and disposed of properly.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Chris Peterson
>> > <clp at alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> > > From: Chris Peterson
>> <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
>> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine
>> life
>> > - shame on NASA
>> > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:57 PM
>> > > Hi Greg-
>> > >
>> > > It is inaccurate to say that this object
>> > "splashed
>> > > down". In fact, much of
>> > > it burned away during reentry, leaving much
>> smaller
>> > debris.
>> > > It would seem
>> > > extremely unlikely that any ammonia was left by
>> the
>> > time
>> > > pieces hit the
>> > > water. So there was only a bit of scrap metal,
>> > probably
>> > > nothing of
>> > > significant toxicity. The impact of this debris
>> on the
>> > > ocean ecology is
>> > > likely to be near zero.
>> > >
>> > > Returning junk from low earth orbit is not
>> currently
>> > > practical in most
>> > > cases. The only option is to allow it to reenter
>> and
>> > > (mostly) burn up. I
>> > > suspect that the sum total of all the debris from
>> > space
>> > > that has reached the
>> > > ground doesn't add up to one scuttled
>> destroyer
>> > (with
>> > > far more toxics in the
>> > > latter case as well). And ships are scuttled all
>> the
>> > time,
>> > > along with
>> > > thousands every year that are simply lost at sea.
>> > >
>> > > Chris
>> > >
>> > > *****************************************
>> > > Chris L Peterson
>> > > Cloudbait Observatory
>> > > http://www.cloudbait.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Greg Catterton"
>> > > <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
>> > > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:41 AM
>> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine
>> life -
>> > shame
>> > > on NASA
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > ""The junk was a tank full of
>> ammonia
>> > > coolant on the international space
>> > > > station that was no longer needed. Astronaut
>> > Clayton
>> > > Anderson threw it
>> > > > overboard during a spacewalk in July 2007.
>> > > >
>> > > > Space station program manager Mike
>> Suffredini
>> > said
>> > > Monday that the debris
>> > > > splashed down somewhere between Australia
>> and New
>> > > Zealand Sunday night""
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should be
>> held
>> > > criminaly liable for the
>> > > > polution of our waters?
>> > > > If an ordinary person was to dump toxic
>> material
>> > into
>> > > the ocean, surely we
>> > > > would be in alot of trouble... just becouse
>> they
>> > are
>> > > Nasa does not make
>> > > > them above the law. Ammonia is highly toxic
>> to
>> > marine
>> > > life!
>> > > > It is my opinion that this was an outright
>> > disrespect
>> > > to the enviorment
>> > > > and a potential hazard to the marine life in
>> the
>> > area
>> > > of impact.
>> > > > I am very upset about this and feel Nasa was
>> > totally
>> > > wrong for the actions
>> > > > they have done.
>> > > > This could have been handled in a much
>> better
>> > fashion,
>> > > and I for one would
>> > > > like to see Nasa held accountable for this.
>> > > > I am really upset about this whole
>> situtation.
>> > > > surely if it had fallen on someones propery
>> NASA
>> > would
>> > > be in alot of
>> > > > trouble...
>> > > > Shame on you NASA. Shame on you Clayton
>> Anderson.
>> > >
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