[meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:42:41 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <503883.40934.qm_at_web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Can we take this to a NASA or SPACE JUNK list. This has nothing to do with meteorites, though interesting, has run its coarse and filled my inbox.
Michael Farmer


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
> To: "Del Waterbury" <paseclipse at yahoo.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 12:21 PM
> why could they not have returned it to earth on a shuttle
> that was going to be returning to earth anyway?
> No extra cost involved there.
>
> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Del Waterbury
> <paseclipse at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Del Waterbury <paseclipse at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life
> - shame on NASA
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com,
> star_wars_collector at yahoo.com
> > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:14 PM
> > I don't think the taxpayers would be to happy to
> hear
> > NASA spent millions of dollars to remove a piece of
> space
> > junk. Letting it enter back into the atmoshphere is
> the safe
> > and cheapest way to go. Of course we could just let it
> stay
> > up there and add to the many pieces of space junk
> already
> > floating around putting astronauts lives in danger.
> >
> > Del
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Greg Catterton
> > <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Greg Catterton
> > <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine
> life
> > - shame on NASA
> > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:06 AM
> > > If that is the case, why was such a big deal made
> > about not
> > > going anywhere near the debris if it had impacted
> on
> > land
> > > becouse of toxic hazards?
> > >
> > > I agree about the scuttled destroyer, but at the
> same
> > time,
> > > I dont think that is right to do also.
> > >
> > > Perhaps the toxic nature that has been reported
> has
> > mislead
> > > me to think that it was more of a big deal then
> it is,
> > but
> > > it is troubling to think that this was the best
> thing
> > they
> > > could come up with.
> > > Surely it could have been returned to earth on a
> > shuttle
> > > and disposed of properly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Chris Peterson
> > > <clp at alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Chris Peterson
> > <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
> > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk -
> marine
> > life
> > > - shame on NASA
> > > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:57 PM
> > > > Hi Greg-
> > > >
> > > > It is inaccurate to say that this object
> > > "splashed
> > > > down". In fact, much of
> > > > it burned away during reentry, leaving much
> > smaller
> > > debris.
> > > > It would seem
> > > > extremely unlikely that any ammonia was left
> by
> > the
> > > time
> > > > pieces hit the
> > > > water. So there was only a bit of scrap
> metal,
> > > probably
> > > > nothing of
> > > > significant toxicity. The impact of this
> debris
> > on the
> > > > ocean ecology is
> > > > likely to be near zero.
> > > >
> > > > Returning junk from low earth orbit is not
> > currently
> > > > practical in most
> > > > cases. The only option is to allow it to
> reenter
> > and
> > > > (mostly) burn up. I
> > > > suspect that the sum total of all the debris
> from
> > > space
> > > > that has reached the
> > > > ground doesn't add up to one scuttled
> > destroyer
> > > (with
> > > > far more toxics in the
> > > > latter case as well). And ships are scuttled
> all
> > the
> > > time,
> > > > along with
> > > > thousands every year that are simply lost at
> sea.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > *****************************************
> > > > Chris L Peterson
> > > > Cloudbait Observatory
> > > > http://www.cloudbait.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Greg Catterton"
> > > > <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> > > > To:
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:41 AM
> > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk -
> marine
> > life -
> > > shame
> > > > on NASA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ""The junk was a tank full of
> > ammonia
> > > > coolant on the international space
> > > > > station that was no longer needed.
> Astronaut
> > > Clayton
> > > > Anderson threw it
> > > > > overboard during a spacewalk in July
> 2007.
> > > > >
> > > > > Space station program manager Mike
> > Suffredini
> > > said
> > > > Monday that the debris
> > > > > splashed down somewhere between
> Australia
> > and New
> > > > Zealand Sunday night""
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should
> be
> > held
> > > > criminaly liable for the
> > > > > polution of our waters?
> > > > > If an ordinary person was to dump toxic
> > material
> > > into
> > > > the ocean, surely we
> > > > > would be in alot of trouble... just
> becouse
> > they
> > > are
> > > > Nasa does not make
> > > > > them above the law. Ammonia is highly
> toxic
> > to
> > > marine
> > > > life!
> > > > > It is my opinion that this was an
> outright
> > > disrespect
> > > > to the enviorment
> > > > > and a potential hazard to the marine
> life in
> > the
> > > area
> > > > of impact.
> > > > > I am very upset about this and feel
> Nasa was
> > > totally
> > > > wrong for the actions
> > > > > they have done.
> > > > > This could have been handled in a much
> > better
> > > fashion,
> > > > and I for one would
> > > > > like to see Nasa held accountable for
> this.
> > > > > I am really upset about this whole
> > situtation.
> > > > > surely if it had fallen on someones
> propery
> > NASA
> > > would
> > > > be in alot of
> > > > > trouble...
> > > > > Shame on you NASA. Shame on you Clayton
> > Anderson.
> > > >
> > > >
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