[meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA

From: Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:35:19 -0800
Message-ID: <20081103193728.C04BA10D5A_at_mailwash5.pair.com>

This would require a new mission plan and millions of dollars in training
exercises and mock-ups. The tank weighs 1400 lbs and it would have to be
brought in the payload bay. A system would have to be designed and installed
to hold the tank. I forget the figure, but there is a cost per pound in
space flight and it is not cheap. When those payload bay doors open it costs
$$$$$!!

Bottom line: it's not feasible. Burn baby burn.

Mike Bandli

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Catterton
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:22 AM
To: Del Waterbury
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA

why could they not have returned it to earth on a shuttle that was going to
be returning to earth anyway?
No extra cost involved there.

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Del Waterbury <paseclipse at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Del Waterbury <paseclipse at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, star_wars_collector at yahoo.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:14 PM
> I don't think the taxpayers would be to happy to hear
> NASA spent millions of dollars to remove a piece of space
> junk. Letting it enter back into the atmoshphere is the safe
> and cheapest way to go. Of course we could just let it stay
> up there and add to the many pieces of space junk already
> floating around putting astronauts lives in danger.
>
> Del
>
>
> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Greg Catterton
> <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Greg Catterton
> <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life
> - shame on NASA
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:06 AM
> > If that is the case, why was such a big deal made
> about not
> > going anywhere near the debris if it had impacted on
> land
> > becouse of toxic hazards?
> >
> > I agree about the scuttled destroyer, but at the same
> time,
> > I dont think that is right to do also.
> >
> > Perhaps the toxic nature that has been reported has
> mislead
> > me to think that it was more of a big deal then it is,
> but
> > it is troubling to think that this was the best thing
> they
> > could come up with.
> > Surely it could have been returned to earth on a
> shuttle
> > and disposed of properly.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Chris Peterson
> > <clp at alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Chris Peterson
> <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine
> life
> > - shame on NASA
> > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:57 PM
> > > Hi Greg-
> > >
> > > It is inaccurate to say that this object
> > "splashed
> > > down". In fact, much of
> > > it burned away during reentry, leaving much
> smaller
> > debris.
> > > It would seem
> > > extremely unlikely that any ammonia was left by
> the
> > time
> > > pieces hit the
> > > water. So there was only a bit of scrap metal,
> > probably
> > > nothing of
> > > significant toxicity. The impact of this debris
> on the
> > > ocean ecology is
> > > likely to be near zero.
> > >
> > > Returning junk from low earth orbit is not
> currently
> > > practical in most
> > > cases. The only option is to allow it to reenter
> and
> > > (mostly) burn up. I
> > > suspect that the sum total of all the debris from
> > space
> > > that has reached the
> > > ground doesn't add up to one scuttled
> destroyer
> > (with
> > > far more toxics in the
> > > latter case as well). And ships are scuttled all
> the
> > time,
> > > along with
> > > thousands every year that are simply lost at sea.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > *****************************************
> > > Chris L Peterson
> > > Cloudbait Observatory
> > > http://www.cloudbait.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Greg Catterton"
> > > <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> > > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:41 AM
> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine
> life -
> > shame
> > > on NASA
> > >
> > >
> > > > ""The junk was a tank full of
> ammonia
> > > coolant on the international space
> > > > station that was no longer needed. Astronaut
> > Clayton
> > > Anderson threw it
> > > > overboard during a spacewalk in July 2007.
> > > >
> > > > Space station program manager Mike
> Suffredini
> > said
> > > Monday that the debris
> > > > splashed down somewhere between Australia
> and New
> > > Zealand Sunday night""
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should be
> held
> > > criminaly liable for the
> > > > polution of our waters?
> > > > If an ordinary person was to dump toxic
> material
> > into
> > > the ocean, surely we
> > > > would be in alot of trouble... just becouse
> they
> > are
> > > Nasa does not make
> > > > them above the law. Ammonia is highly toxic
> to
> > marine
> > > life!
> > > > It is my opinion that this was an outright
> > disrespect
> > > to the enviorment
> > > > and a potential hazard to the marine life in
> the
> > area
> > > of impact.
> > > > I am very upset about this and feel Nasa was
> > totally
> > > wrong for the actions
> > > > they have done.
> > > > This could have been handled in a much
> better
> > fashion,
> > > and I for one would
> > > > like to see Nasa held accountable for this.
> > > > I am really upset about this whole
> situtation.
> > > > surely if it had fallen on someones propery
> NASA
> > would
> > > be in alot of
> > > > trouble...
> > > > Shame on you NASA. Shame on you Clayton
> Anderson.
> > >
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