[meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:01:16 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <686071.80326.qm_at_web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have watched this for the last few weeks, and I have decided not to participate for the simple reason that there seems to be a clique that has has formed over the last 6 or 7 years, one made up of a few people who seem to think that they have a mandate to take control of these charity donation/money raising issues and run them how they see fit. There is often a demand for participation, and denouncement behind the backs of those who do not donate, I find this repulsive. I do not like to be shamed into anything, and certainly am offended to the point of going to the opposite direction. The perception that dealers have tons of money and material just laying the garbage heap makes me sick. I have lots of meteorites, and no money right now, I know many of us are in the same boat, sales are in the crapper due to the financial genius of our government and the absolute greed of our wealthy businessmen and corporations. So please do not pretend to know my
 financial situation because I have a website filled with meteorites, at this time I am finding it difficult to pay my own bills, much less someone elses.

I no longer trust giving other people my meteorites, and having them be in charge of selling them/auctioning them. I will not discuss the specifics, but I know that wrongdoing has taken place in the meteorite world with such "donations". I do not like silent auctions, gimmicks, charity auctions where email or phone bidding take place, out of sight and oversight everyone. Ebay sales with payments directly to Gary Foote would ease these concerns and halt any chance of fraud taking place. Many of us are having problems, my wife lost her job last month while I was in Europe. She is on unemployment, a whopping $240.00 per week in Arizona, which barely pays for a couple tanks of gas these days. I know of many other list members who are having financial and medical problems in silence, no help for them is coming.

There is nothing wrong with organizing or aksing for help with a fellow list member, but while you may night recognize it, sometimes the way these things are done can really rub people the wrong way.
Michael Farmer




--- On Thu, 7/24/08, Ma Lan <chinaren76 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Ma Lan <chinaren76 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, "Charles Austin Miller" <CharlesMiller at bellsouth.net>
> Cc: imca at imcamail.de
> Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 11:30 AM
> Hi Maria and Members,
>
> Being a newby in the IMCA community, i know little about
> Gary Foote. I just know he needs help. So, i help.
>
> Maybe biding on items by email or phone is the reason why
> nobody placed bid on them. Try it on Ebay and AD it on the
> list as well. Try it.
>
> Best,
> Ma Lan
> IMCA #8234
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 7/25/08, Charles Austin Miller
> <CharlesMiller at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > From: Charles Austin Miller
> <CharlesMiller at bellsouth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Cc: imca at imcamail.de
> > Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 12:58 AM
> > Mal, respectfully, you?re out of line here.
> >
> > Asking people to contribute out of the goodness of
> their
> > hearts is one
> > thing; attempting to SHAME them into giving is
> arrogant and
> > oafish and
> > counterproductive.
> >
> > Charles A. Miller
> > IMCA 1292
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > On 7/24/08 8:26 AM, "Mal Bishop"
> > <magbish3 at lowcountry.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear list members,
> > >
> > > I must say I'm somewhat disappointed in the
> > reception/ turn-out thus far as
> > > related to the number of people on this list who
> have
> > reached out and made
> > > some sort of gesture of goodwill by donating
> > something, anything, to help a
> > > fellow community member who has REALLY undergone
> a
> > horrible ordeal and still
> > > is in the midst of it -- not to mention what his
> wife,
> > CJ, and other family
> > > members are having to deal with! Where are all
> of the
> > 'BIG' dealers, all of
> > > the truly well fortuned collectors who have SO
> much
> > that to offer up a single
> > > piece from their vaults of space treasure would
> be of
> > little, if any
> > > noticeable, loss to them! Take a moment and each
> one
> > of you think what it
> > > would be like if it were you in Gary's
> position?
> > How would you then feel
> > > about your treasures compared to what dark, and
> > foreboding place you now find
> > > yourself in. I'll be outright honest, I feel
> sort
> > of ashamed to be associated
> > > with a community that apparently doesn't mind
> > trying to always acquire more
> > > and more personal bounty from space, but are
> maybe
> > just a little too reticent
> > > in giving up something, make a sacrifice to help
> a
> > fellow 'kinsman' with the
> > > vary same passions and desires -- at least he did
> at
> > one time until something
> > > much more important stepped in its place to
> unveil
> > some truth of the duality
> > > of life. There is fortune and good, and then
> there is
> > much suffering, loss,
> > > and indescribable pain and fear around the next
> bend
> > waiting for ANYONE at
> > > ANYTIME!!!
> > >
> > > I'm sorry in advance if I'm off base, way
> out
> > in left field, or just sound
> > > plain bitter, angry, or what ever label ya'll
> wish
> > to place on this or me, but
> > > all I can say is it is a shame when you have a
> list
> > comprised of hundreds of
> > > folks worldwide supposedly not only interested in
> a
> > hobby, and appear to want
> > > to share and communicate with one another (hence
> why a
> > list like this exist in
> > > the first place, correct?), but don't seem to
> want
> > to reach out when a time
> > > like this comes upon us to help one of "our
> > own" !!! I know times are
> > > getting harder financially , especially maybe
> here in
> > the US for a lot of us,
> > > but still many of us are finding it possible to
> still
> > invest and spend on
> > > ourselves and indulge our hobbyist desires and
> whims,
> > so why then can't some
> > > of you ,if not all, offer something to show your
> true
> > care, compassion, and
> > > concern, not just for another human being, but
> for one
> > of us for goodness
> > > sakes!
> > >
> > > Again, I know I will probably receive some
> distasteful
> > responses due to my
> > > putting my nose where maybe a lot of you feel it
> may
> > not belong, but it is
> > > rather disgusting to see talk always going on
> about
> > what's for sale, what I
> > > want, what can I acquire, while rarely anything
> is
> > mentioned about Gary's
> > > plight save for our resident angel, Maria! It
> looks
> > like some basic plain old
> > > greed and self indulgent type behavior to me!
> This is
> > why we find so much
> > > misery in our world at any given time, and any
> given
> > place -- it's always
> > > about me, me,me, me!!! Well, take just a few
> precious
> > seconds and do some REAL
> > > soul searching then see what it's truly all
> about
> > -- life I mean -- then maybe
> > > a few of you may come to a different
> realization!!!
> > >
> > > Now I'm through, I'll step of off the
> > proverbial soapbox and await my stoning,
> > > but I felt lead to say what I did. Oh yea, you
> may
> > also excommunicate me as
> > > well if the desire is there.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your time in indulging my rant!
> > >
> > > Mal
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
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