[meteorite-list] Need a meteorite picture repository (was Alternative Meteorite Group Track Records)

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:46:01 -0800
Message-ID: <93aaac890812261146h71e3532cs1c5990efbfe40c32_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hola Bob, Michael,
I would go for either flickr.com (free account gives you 200 fairly
high-res pictures - per account, and unlimited photos of even higher
resolution if you pay), or the encyclopedia of meteorites site, run by
our list's own Pierre-Marie Pele.
Have a look:

http://encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/

Creating an account is free, though donations aren't frowned upon.

I find that webshots and picasa...well, I've never used either, but it
seems to me that either they have lower resolution capabilities than
flickr - or people simply choose to upload smaller images. Never
having used either, I can't say which is true.
Regards,
Jason

On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Michael L Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
> Bob,
> I don't see the problem... There are many free photo sites -
> Upload your photo, get the URL, put the click-to URL into your
> Post to the list and there you are. Hundreds do it. The worst
> Case scenario is you have to copy/paste the URL to your browser.
> I like "Webshots" : http://www.webshots.com/ ....because of the
> Ease of use and the option to pay a little and expand your capacity,
> but there are dozens out there - just choose one
> (I will admit there is at least one list member that cannot seem
> To get this basic concept, talks about a photo we certainly should
> Be sure to see - and leaves the URL out of his posts....
> Concluding with ..."Enjoy!" - enjoy WHAT?)
> Other than that, how easy can it get, Bob? These sites are
> Out there - pick one, use it, post to the list.
> Best wishes, Michael
>
> on 12/26/08 8:14 AM, Bob Loeffler at bobl at peaktopeak.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm not posting this to MikeG's chat group discussion because my idea is not
>> the focus of that discussion.
>>
>> I see only one thing missing from this Meteorite list: A picture repository
>> for list members who don't have websites. We can have all of the
>> meteorite-related discussions that we so desire on this list, but if a
>> member wants to show us pictures of his meteorites, he/she has to use a
>> service like Flickr if he/she doesn't have his/her own website. Flickr and
>> some of the others are nice for general use, but then we have pictures
>> strewn about all over the web and it's impossible to search for them. Not
>> easy for new members (or old members) to view them.
>>
>> What I would like to see is a meteor/meteorite picture storage site that is
>> easy to navigate and easy for people to post their pictures to. It would
>> need to be moderated (e.g. someone posts a picture and caption, then the
>> moderator would need to OK it before it is viewable by everyone) and you
>> would need to be a "member" of the website (free, of course, but donations
>> would be good) to be able to post (so it would cut down on "spammer posts").
>> The moderator would then prevent the few spammer posts to be uploaded. Each
>> member would get his/her own folder (or album) to post pictures into. And
>> maybe they could create more folders within their main folder. It would
>> need to be searchable (e.g. I want to see all Sikhote Alin meteorites).
>>
>> Anyone could become a member, even dealers who already have a website,
>> because they might want to share their personal collection with everyone
>> else without putting it on their dealer website. There would be no
>> advertising on this, but you could add your website URL to the caption of a
>> picture if you want people to be able to easily find your website. There
>> would be NO discussion on the website since we already have a place for
>> that. :-) Just pictures and their captions.
>>
>> It should be able to have it's own website domain name (e.g.
>> www.met-list-meteorites.com). I volunteer to pay the yearly domain name fee
>> if others would share the monthly web hosting fee (I could help with that,
>> too) and the daily work. I am too stretched on other volunteer work, so I
>> can't do much of the daily moderation (which of course could be done every
>> couple of days instead of daily).
>>
>> Is there any website system out there that can do this already? Or is there
>> anyone who could make one?
>>
>> Thanks and Happy Holidays!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bob Loeffler
>> COMETS
>> http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of John
>> higgins
>> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 8:08 AM
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alternative Meteorite Group Track Records
>>
>> Hi Elton, this post is not in any way intended to be a attack, trolling,
>> disparagement, of you or anyone else who feels the same way. And the
>> meteorite working group, would perfer this conversation be OFF-LIST. We
>> don't want this to be a meteorite list issue! Instead of discouraging other
>> people, which you have obvisouly acclompished with flying colors. Come and
>> join in our discussion. Get to know the people you are calling untalented
>> auto salesman, and see if when you are done you still think of us as
>> selfish, greedy self centered folks, who only have their own self intrest at
>> heart. A dicussion is all it is at this point. If the idea gets far, and you
>> still disagree. Then bash it all you want. Our group already stated that we
>> want a private dicussion, you are trying to bash us in a public forum, not
>> very nice. Maybe somebody can make comments on your moral judgement and
>> nature for doing so, but that is not in our nature, so we cannot comment on
>> that. I have already responded to your post in Mike's yahoo chat group.
>> Anybody who is intrested, should go there and comment. You can find my post
>> as well as others at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meteoriteworkinggroup/
>> Have a Great Day!
>> John Higgins
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>
>> To: valparint at aol.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 2:47:31 AM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Alternative Meteorite Group Track Records
>>
>> Hello Folks-- Season's greetings. I just wanted to share some thoughts on
>> forming new meteorite interest groups--past empire building in the meteorite
>> world in general and why some succeeded and some failed. Please, no one take
>> this as an attack, trolling,disparagement, discouragement, or a "dissing" of
>> anyone. It is not directed at any one, although it may have been bumped to
>> the forefront by Mike's recent thread. An honest idea was proposed and I am
>> not per se addressing his proposal in any way so please keep an open mind.
>> On this list we are as close as can be to inclusive(99%) in having a
>> collection of members within the existing meteorite interest niches. As a
>> long time member with observations regarding "empire building" as an
>> alternative to the Meteorite Central list, The Meteorite Times web space,
>> IMCA, etc. there have been a plenty. I could list a long string of people
>> who wanted to make a big splash campaigning to
>> improve/perfect the
>> culture they did not remotely understand. In spite of -- or because of--self
>> caused blunders, there were many patient old timers willing to advise them
>> on how to get oriented to the list rather than making the list fit around
>> them. They tried to help them get up to speed and direction with the
>> technical side, the meteorite market, and the meteorite culture often being
>> rebuffed, accused of trying to squash competition, or rejected as not
>> knowing what they were talking about. What was hard for some novices to
>> accept was that their own mindset was the reason they were unable to make
>> inroads into the community as a true mover/shaker. There were many more
>> that took the help and are strong respected contributors today.
>>
>> Not wanting to get in their way, the long-time members stepped aside,
>> letting them fall into craters of their own making--some many times over.
>> Many, many, times we have seen Internet/ web page savvy folks offer to
>> provide "alternatives
>> " to the meteorite forum communities. For the majority of those past
>> forums, I'd have to look hard to see if they were still around. Some were
>> more noble than others. There were some who spend a lot of effort making
>> dust clouds promoting a solution looking for a problem. When the dust
>> settled they sat wondering what went wrong and why their enterprise/forum/
>> efforts failed to hold attention.
>>
>> Just in passing, there are several meteorite interest groups/ mailing lists:
>> some active but with only duplicate postings, some are inactive/abandoned
>> with only newbie postings who never bothered to look at the membership
>> numbers or posting activity, some private technical lists which are by
>> invitation only, and of course-- the dealer's own list where ads go directly
>> to the member. For reasons beyond the scope of this babbling of mine, 99%
>> of all the inhabitable niches for this hobby have been taken and are being
>> served well by the host. There is a saturation point and economy-of-scale
>> even in this field of interest. In the words of a frequent poster "it is a
>> free county" so anyone coould feel free to start up all the groups or forums
>> they wish--the Internet is a very large place. Those that offer a truly
>> unique and desirable service will last and those that are offering another
>> way to slice up the limited pie won't-- and will end up on the ash
>> pile
>> of Internet redundancy entirely on their own. Those that did succeed, did so
>> by offering real value and in an unselfish manner within many many manhours
>> and personal expense to do so.
>>
>> What I found is that people who take shortcuts don't succeed: those who rely
>> too much on assumptions, those that don't take a thoughtful look at the true
>> market for their service, those that overestimate their expertise and time
>> committment, those that don't attempt a basic understanding of the meteorite
>> science to understand the commodity. Basically those who arrive thinking
>> their personal marketing talents will overcome technical, knowledge, and
>> cultural issues-- don't last over the long haul. Perhaps potential members
>> are jaded by all the flash-in-the night sky "dealers" so they come to accept
>> those proven members only after a long time of watching how they behave. I
>> don't know of any shortcut to this period of watching and slowly winning
>> people over.
>>
>> This community isn't a automobile dealership, it isn't a church, it isn't
>> the Elks, it isn't a group of folks with a lot of mandated loyalty--it is a
>> field where you are known by your reputation--reputation means everything to
>> the majority of people. You can't forge (as in fake ) those credentials ;
>> you have to forge them (as in earn them) by hard work over time. That seems
>> to be the final obstacle to work through by those offering an alternative
>> folks are willing sign up for. I've probably been ignored, filtered, and
>> moderated over the years more than 99% of the folks here so I I feel like I
>> know much of the list from both sides. I do wish any and everyone who is
>> willing to go it for the long haul the best of success. If you promote it
>> for the love of meteorites instead the love of self then you'll have a
>> better shot at long term success.
>>
>> Elton
>>
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