[meteorite-list] Need a meteorite picture repository (was Alternative Meteorite Group Track Records)

From: Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:23:27 -0800
Message-ID: <C57A6F2F.1D636%mlblood_at_cox.net>

Bob,
        I don't see the problem... There are many free photo sites -
Upload your photo, get the URL, put the click-to URL into your
Post to the list and there you are. Hundreds do it. The worst
Case scenario is you have to copy/paste the URL to your browser.
I like "Webshots" : http://www.webshots.com/ ....because of the
Ease of use and the option to pay a little and expand your capacity,
but there are dozens out there - just choose one
(I will admit there is at least one list member that cannot seem
To get this basic concept, talks about a photo we certainly should
Be sure to see - and leaves the URL out of his posts....
Concluding with ..."Enjoy!" - enjoy WHAT?)
        Other than that, how easy can it get, Bob? These sites are
Out there - pick one, use it, post to the list.
        Best wishes, Michael

on 12/26/08 8:14 AM, Bob Loeffler at bobl at peaktopeak.com wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm not posting this to MikeG's chat group discussion because my idea is not
> the focus of that discussion.
>
> I see only one thing missing from this Meteorite list: A picture repository
> for list members who don't have websites. We can have all of the
> meteorite-related discussions that we so desire on this list, but if a
> member wants to show us pictures of his meteorites, he/she has to use a
> service like Flickr if he/she doesn't have his/her own website. Flickr and
> some of the others are nice for general use, but then we have pictures
> strewn about all over the web and it's impossible to search for them. Not
> easy for new members (or old members) to view them.
>
> What I would like to see is a meteor/meteorite picture storage site that is
> easy to navigate and easy for people to post their pictures to. It would
> need to be moderated (e.g. someone posts a picture and caption, then the
> moderator would need to OK it before it is viewable by everyone) and you
> would need to be a "member" of the website (free, of course, but donations
> would be good) to be able to post (so it would cut down on "spammer posts").
> The moderator would then prevent the few spammer posts to be uploaded. Each
> member would get his/her own folder (or album) to post pictures into. And
> maybe they could create more folders within their main folder. It would
> need to be searchable (e.g. I want to see all Sikhote Alin meteorites).
>
> Anyone could become a member, even dealers who already have a website,
> because they might want to share their personal collection with everyone
> else without putting it on their dealer website. There would be no
> advertising on this, but you could add your website URL to the caption of a
> picture if you want people to be able to easily find your website. There
> would be NO discussion on the website since we already have a place for
> that. :-) Just pictures and their captions.
>
> It should be able to have it's own website domain name (e.g.
> www.met-list-meteorites.com). I volunteer to pay the yearly domain name fee
> if others would share the monthly web hosting fee (I could help with that,
> too) and the daily work. I am too stretched on other volunteer work, so I
> can't do much of the daily moderation (which of course could be done every
> couple of days instead of daily).
>
> Is there any website system out there that can do this already? Or is there
> anyone who could make one?
>
> Thanks and Happy Holidays!
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob Loeffler
> COMETS
> http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of John
> higgins
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 8:08 AM
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alternative Meteorite Group Track Records
>
> ?Hi Elton, this post is not in any way intended to be? a attack, trolling,
> disparagement, of you or anyone else who feels the same way. And the
> meteorite working group, would perfer this conversation be OFF-LIST. We
> don't want this to be a meteorite list issue! Instead of discouraging other
> people, which you have obvisouly acclompished with flying colors. Come and
> join in our discussion. Get to know the people you are calling untalented
> auto salesman, and see if when you are done you still think of us as
> selfish, greedy self centered folks, who only have their own self intrest at
> heart. A dicussion is all it is at this point. If the idea gets far, and you
> still disagree. Then bash it all you want. Our group already stated that we
> want a private dicussion, you are trying to bash us in a public forum, not
> very nice. Maybe somebody can make comments on your moral judgement and
> nature for doing so, but that is not in our nature, so we cannot comment on
> that. I have already responded to your post in Mike's yahoo chat group.
> Anybody who is intrested, should go there and comment. You can find my post
> as well as others at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meteoriteworkinggroup/
> Have a Great Day!
> John Higgins
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>
> To: valparint at aol.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 2:47:31 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Alternative Meteorite Group Track Records
>
> Hello Folks--? Season's greetings. I just wanted to share some thoughts on?
> forming new meteorite interest groups--past empire building in the meteorite
> world in general and why some succeeded and some failed. Please, no one take
> this as an attack, trolling,disparagement, discouragement, or a "dissing" of
> anyone.? It is not directed at any one, although it may have been bumped to
> the forefront by Mike's recent thread. An honest idea was proposed and I am
> not per se addressing his proposal in any way so please keep an open mind.?
> On this list we are as close as can be to inclusive(99%) in having a
> collection of members within the existing meteorite interest niches.? As a
> long time member? with observations regarding "empire building" as an
> alternative to the Meteorite Central list, The Meteorite Times web space,
> IMCA, etc.? there have been a plenty.? I could list a long string of people
> who wanted to make a big splash campaigning to
> improve/perfect the
> culture they did not remotely understand. In spite of -- or because of--self
> caused blunders, there were many patient old timers willing to? advise them
> on how to get oriented to the list rather than making the list fit around
> them.? They tried to help them get up to speed and direction with the
> technical side, the meteorite market, and the meteorite culture often being
> rebuffed, accused of trying to squash competition, or rejected as not
> knowing what they were talking about.? What was hard for some? novices to
> accept was that their own mindset was the reason they were unable to make
> inroads into the community as a true mover/shaker.? There were many more
> that took the help and are strong respected contributors today.
>
> Not wanting to get in their way, the long-time members stepped aside,
> letting them fall into craters of their own making--some many times over.?
> Many, many, times we have seen Internet/ web page savvy folks offer to
> provide? "alternatives
> " to the meteorite forum communities.? For the majority of those past
> forums, I'd have to look hard to see if they were still around.? Some were
> more noble than others.? There were some who spend a lot of effort making
> dust clouds promoting a solution looking for a problem.? When the dust
> settled they sat wondering what went wrong and why their enterprise/forum/
> efforts failed to hold attention.?
>
> Just in passing, there are several meteorite interest groups/ mailing lists:
> some active but with only duplicate postings, some are inactive/abandoned
> with only newbie postings who never bothered to look at the membership
> numbers or posting activity,? some private technical lists which are by
> invitation only, and of course-- the dealer's own list where ads go directly
> to the member.? For reasons beyond the scope of this babbling of mine, 99%
> of all the inhabitable niches for this hobby have been taken and are being
> served well by the host. There is a saturation point and economy-of-scale
> even in this field of interest.? In the words of a frequent poster "it is a
> free county" so anyone coould feel free to start up all the groups or forums
> they wish--the Internet is a very large place.? Those that offer a truly
> unique and desirable service will last and those that are offering another
> way to slice up the limited pie won't--? and will end up on the ash
> pile
> of Internet redundancy entirely on their own. Those that did succeed, did so
> by offering real value and in an unselfish manner within many many manhours
> and personal expense to do so.
>
> What I found is that people who take shortcuts don't succeed: those who rely
> too much on assumptions, those that don't take a thoughtful look at the true
> market for their service, those that overestimate their expertise and time
> committment, those that don't attempt a basic understanding of the meteorite
> science to understand the commodity.? Basically those who arrive thinking
> their personal marketing talents will overcome technical, knowledge, and
> cultural issues-- don't last over the long haul.? Perhaps potential members
> are jaded by all the flash-in-the night sky "dealers" so they come to accept
> those proven members only after a long time of watching how they behave.? I
> don't know of any shortcut to this period of watching and slowly winning
> people over.
>
> This community isn't a automobile dealership, it isn't a church, it isn't
> the Elks, it isn't a group of folks with a lot of mandated loyalty--it is a
> field where you are known by your reputation--reputation means everything to
> the majority of people.? You can't forge (as in fake ) those credentials ;
> you have to forge them (as in earn them) by hard work over time.? That seems
> to be the final obstacle to work through by those offering an alternative
> folks are willing sign up for.? I've probably been ignored, filtered, and
> moderated over the years more than 99% of the folks here so I I feel like I
> know much of the list from both sides.? I do wish any and everyone who is
> willing to go it for the long haul the best of success. If you promote it
> for the love of meteorites instead the love of self then you'll have a
> better shot at long term success.
>
> Elton
>
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