[meteorite-list] Peru news - finders keepers

From: Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:27:46 -0700
Message-ID: <C3476392.10859%mlblood_at_cox.net>

My Dear Thaddeus,
        You seem to take meteorite dealer hating to a new level.
I have always been amazed at the collectors who resent the
People who bring them meteorites. There seems always to be
That contingent that thinks NO ONE should "make a living,"
Selling meteorites regardless of how hard they work, what risks
they take or how much capital they invest. Your viewing such
Activity as fascist is not surprising, since you seam to have a
Socialistic if not communistic view of being owed the meteorites
You want without having to compensate those who provide them.
        It is quite simple: if you don't want to pay what is asked,
Don't - if you do, then do. But to whine about it like a school
Girl is a sad thing to see in a grown man. To accuse a dealer
Or dealers of behaving like Nazis is taking it to a level beyond
The outrageous.
        A fully adequate response here would take a good deal more
Time than I shall spend here. However, the topic is certainly
Worthy of an article.
        Sincerely, Michael Blood


on 10/26/07 5:47 AM, Thaddeus Besedin at endophasy at yahoo.com wrote:

> You are driven by an interest in the material, surely,
> but I think here that you may not have been
> translating subtleties of context here as I may have
> intend to communicate. I strictly compare Mike's
> attitude to that of a trafficker in contraband, except
> for his hesitation to control his public declarations
> of his ethnic contempt.
> To comment on how "value" can become at all, in the
> pursuit of accumulation of a natural object, which may
> have required more or less labor to locate than an
> equally-valued object, I emphasize that, among all
> goods and services, no effort to strip the veneer of
> commercialization from the fetishized object of
> consumption need be made. When meteorite tokens are on
> the mind, it is obvious that this list and few other
> arenas can alone be held responsible for
> value-generation by creating demand without campaign
> advertising and branding. Desire to buy is not just
> some emanation. We demand far beyond base consumption
> as a gesture of identity-building, and to privately
> indulge in waste, among other reasons. It is
> necessary, then, to manipulate potential buyers that
> have only periodic demand for a substitute product,
> say car restoration supplies, kites, video games, etc.
>
>
> To back up with citation something like the
> well-known, historically recorded aspirations of Nazi
> Germany to become like their predecessor, e.g. the
> Holy Roman Empire, is redundant.
>
> Trafficking can also be constituted indirectly, with a
> conniving nod to the violators in other places in the
> world where sources of material are abundant, yet
> enforcement is fraught with corruption, a situation
> fortuitously taken advantage of by dealers. If envy is
> the reason that authorities arrest people in the
> situation that Mike finds himself in, then Mike would
> be dead and gone by now.
>
> I munch hummus, by the way. Do you goose-step?
>
> I am not equating Mike himself with traffickers, but
> escaping from a country to avoid a possible arrest
> that cannot be verified to have possibly, with any
> certainty,to have potentially occurred at all, and
> with many others seemingly "escaping" with no concern
> or fear for some sort of threat to their freedom, is
> inconsistent with innocence for every transaction that
> Mike has been involved in. He knew that the police had
> confiscated property. Property must remain as
> evidence. This is tantamount to buying cocaine from a
> corrupt cop responsible for inventory of an evidence
> locker.
> Germany has laws guaranteeing landowners their gifts
> from the sky; disparity of political and economic
> conditions is such that no comparison can be made to
> the conduct of a legal system in another sovereign
> country.
>
> Finally, laws should not alone dictate a maximum
> degree of ethical self-restraint.
> -Thaddeus
> --- Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't know, may you explain, why you ask from
>> meteorite dealers a higher
>> moral standard or ethical behaviour than from the
>> fastfood chain, where
>> you're munching your burgers, the power authorities,
>> which are heating your
>> home, the carmaker, where you bought your car from,
>> our butcher, baker,
>> supermarket on the end of the food supply industry
>> chain, where you're
>> buying your food?
>>
>> Additionally the list policies require, that you can
>> back your statements
>> with facts.
>> If you bring the meteorite dealers in context with
>> looters, traffickers,
>> thieves,
>> Then please be so kind to quote here word by word
>> the laws regarding
>> meteorites
>> of those countries, wherefrom meteorites are coming,
>> which are dealt.
>>
>> It's so easy to point with the finger always on
>> others and to voice
>> allegations without having to back them.
>>
>> Here you have a list of all states
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states
>>
>> Please add to each state the quotation of its
>> legislation concerning
>> meteorites (note that in federally organized states,
>> there might be
>> individual laws for each federal state).
>>
>> Get started, do it.
>> If not, we simply won't allow, that you continue to
>> criminalize the
>> collectorship, dealership and the scientists.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Annoyed Martin
>>
>>
>
>
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Received on Fri 26 Oct 2007 12:27:46 PM PDT