[meteorite-list] INTERVIEW WITH CARANCAS LOCALS

From: Jan Hattenbach <jan.hattenbach_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:31:58 +0200
Message-ID: <1843328345_at_web.de>

Hi Dough, list,

yes, I understand that the list may have got a rather negative impression of Peru due to these very ugly experience Mike and his colleagues had to encounter. I live in Peru and visited Desaguadero and Carancas myself and had to make some bad experience too with people trying to rip me off there. It was not quite as dangerous as it was for Mike because I kept myself in the background. After reading Mikes report, I was glad I did so. And, like it or not, Desaguadero *is* a filthy place.

Nevertheless, remember Mikes report, it was not the townspeople of Carancas he had his problems with. It was the corrupt police of Desaguadero - and corruption really is perhaps the biggest problem of this country. The people of Carancas were trying the best they could from this unique incident, who could blame them for that?

Maybe some folks in Desaquadero are now beginning to realize what opportunity they missed. There was a stone with a value more than gold falling from the sky, and who got it? Some US-Americans, some guys from Bolivia and a German! But that is their own fault. Why couldn't the same people who did what they could to get as much money out of me (I had a nice little fight in spanish - words only) use their energy to get that stones that were lying around for a week just before their noses, and make money out of them? Call it lack of education or whatever, but it is sad to say: if no strangers would have gone there, most of the meteorites may have just been thrown away! The news was in the media in Peru for days, and they do have TV, radio, internet and newspapers and are able to use it, if they like. Most people here did know what happened.

It is a shame what happened to Mike, and it is a even bigger shame for Peru what is happening to the (presumed) main mass, but there is still no reason to insult the people of this town or country in general. It's rather something to think about what is going wrong in this world.

BTW: I am new to this list and I appeciate the interresting information and opinions I found here! Thanks a lot for that!

Best regards,

Jan

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: "mexicodoug" <mexicodoug at aol.com>
> Gesendet: 19.10.07 20:37:20
> An: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] INTERVIEW WITH CARANCAS LOCALS


>
> Hi David, Bob and Jan, List,
>
> David - There has been a cold war going on down there to define who has
> rights to market alcoholic drinks called "Pisco" (If you don't think this is
> important - very seriously-, think again!!!), and the fight for control
> portions of the sea between Peru and Chile is still ablating. It isn't the
> village that is of interest. It is the fight for land and sea, and national
> pride. The land of the Desaguadero River where the fall is, is near the
> outlet to the ocean that Chile appropriated in war victory against
> Bolivia/Peru and I suspect that unofficial military activities are common in
> that zone, as well as a state of alert on both sides, and also that there is
> an underlying fear from this. As outsiders from this conflict, the best we
> can imagine...
>
> Jan - As you say (most of us including you could) think before we post, too,
> though I don't object to your post either. The very few prior comments you
> have made seem very educated, so I really wonder, why hadn't you said
> anything throughout the barrage of bashing of people, corruption and the
> "filth" there, and now not expect that this impression is prevalent and
> accepted by a lot of list members? This is an exotic and majestic area to
> visit, though lacking in hygene by the cultural standards of many outsiders.
> The list has been fixated on the negative and a meteoric attention span.
> Why don't you ask what Bob Haag about his recent vacation in the wonderful
> area, he probably has seen enough in his life to give a different
> perspective on their hygene and culture.
>
> Bob W. - David off the list? Eighty-six that possee!
>
> Best wishes and health,
> Doug
>
> Aborigines don't own the land.They belong to it. It's like their mother. See
> those rocks? Been standing there for 600 million years. Still be there when
> you and I are gone. So arguing over who owns them is like two fleas arguing
> over who owns the dog they live on.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Weir" <dgweir at earthlink.net>
> To: "Bob WALKER" <qwalkra2 at optusnet.com.au>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] INTERVIEW WITH CARANCAS LOCALS
>
>
> > If Art removes me I'll be happy to leave. It's people like you who make me
> > vomit all over this "LIST". And don't ever visit my website which contains
> > a quarter of a million words bringing the most current meteorite research
> > to those interested, including total morons like you. You are hereby
> > forbidden to visit it. I do not want to contribute anything else to this
> > LIST or to you, you small-brained idiot. Kiss my ass!
> >
> > David
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