[meteorite-list] Erwin Rivera Carancas Recognition -Suggestion for Mike "Tiger Man" Farmer

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:23:22 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <48495.73695.qm_at_web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I must reply to this email in depth, because of the
vileness of the charges Kevin, so let's begin.

You said
"Because of your Peruvian visit, arguably an
"attractive nuisance" in
legal terms as you arrived passing out US dollars for
"dangerous"
rocks in a place with a per capita income less than
Haiti, the bulk of
the police force of the area is now out of work, and
the locals
without whatever degree of protection they previously
enjoyed. The
crater is being guarded 24 hours a day to protect it
from the likes of
you."

Now Kevin, I arrived in Peru, at the site of a new
meteorite fall, a crater-forming one at that. I
arrived two weeks later than most people as I was
slightly busy elsewhere. I paid lots of money for
stones. I did not hand out US dollars, I am not sure
by what authority or knowledge you pretend to have
about how much money I spent or the type of bills I
used to pay for it. Many people were there buying
before me, I guess their intentions were better than
mine, they paid nothing, they took the pieces or they
paid a pittence, I paid a lot of money, funny how poor
people getting more money is always turned into me
taking advantage of them. According to you, thy are
better off just giving them away...........
As far as the local police force being out of work, I
would say that lends more to their corruption and
lawbreaking than my being there. Kevin, that is simply
pathetic. That is like saying that a thief has the
right to steal the money because it is there. So
according to you, the fact that an American with money
showed up meant that the police suddenly needed to rob
him? The police are still there (somehow I doubt that
the police station is shuttered, the jail padlocked
and closed), and the crater is guarded because they
Peruvians have no clue what to do with it. The locals
want to dig up the meteorite that fell on their land,
because I told them it was being destroyed, and if you
can argue with that, then so be it, the whole list
would likely want to see an argument for leaving the
largest meteorite to fall in decades under water.
 


you said

"Of course, Desaguaderos is a "craphole, the
definition that would come
up first."

The scientists involved? "The people from the
University of Peru are
 clueless."

Are you campaigning to become the next "anti-Christ"?
You have my vote."


Kevin, Desaguadero is litterally filled with crap,
figuratively and really. There are human/pig/donkey
feces in ever part of town, especially outside the
hotels and the river is an open sewer. Do disrespect,
but facts is facts my friend.
The people from the university ARE clueless about
meteorites! That is what I said, an again, it is the
truth. They told the locals they are poisonous, that
the land is contaminated, that the meteorite needs to
stay in teh crater so that tourists can pay to see it
etc. Care to defend those things? I am not sure if any
scientist on here would defend leaving the meteorite
under water while humans urinate in it. But hey, what
would I know, I am a greedy evil meteorite dealer
right?

You said
"So according to you, there are 4,000 to 5,000 kilos
in the ground and
perhaps thirty kilos recovered.But it is all "crumbs
and dust", "lost
and rusty".

ATTENTION SHOPPERS! Only Tiger Man can sell you, "by
the way",
authenticated pristine specimens"


I say, Hey Keven, take it for what you want, but you
are damned right. Let's see, large amount of
chondrite, very friable material, high-metal, pourous,
and highly fractured, SITTING THREE FRIGGING WEEKS
UNDER PISS WATER! YES, it will be ROTTED, RUSTED,
CONTAMINATED, DAMAGED, DESTROYED, and LOST!
Get the hint, it is not my greed that makes me write
these things. IT IS SIMPLE UNDISPUTABLE TRUTH, that
makes me write them.


You say
"Mike, your cost for the 300 grams you say you
collected was $1,000
according to you. Your RT plane ticket from Cali,
Columbia was less
than $600 as per Expedia.com, your hotel room $4/night
("We
overpaid.."), taxi from the border was $40. "Gifts" to
the police was
$300 ($100 each). Food and beer is almost nothing.
Your estimated cost
per gram is about $7.

Let me not forget the price you paid for the rights to
the photo of
the meteorite contrail, "I gave him enough to buy a
new camera and
take 1000 photos."

So we're at $7.25/gm.

You are selling this for $100/gm, right? 300gms.
times $100 =
$30,000. Is your profit about $28,000 for less than a
weeks "work"? So
you expect a $28K profit AND a vacation tax write-off
of $2K?

You go, capitalism!"


AYE CARAMBA, why would you think I flew form Cali to
La Paz? It would have been nice, but jungle to high
mountains require different clothes, and I have to
take lots of money to both places, too much in fact to
combine the trips. Again, that is none of your
business, but I flew home and back to Bolivia in 48
hours time. COSTLY
Of course, you attempt to pretend to know what I
spent, but not possible if you weren't there. I have
around 300 grams, now you neglect to mention that I
have over 150 grams of DUST. Kevin, what can I do with
the dust? Not much, so please scratch that off of your
profit scale. I also have GIVEN many grams to sciece,
sold some, donated some to labs.
So, in the interest of making this shorter, how much
might I make? Oh, I will make a few thousand dollars.
CAPITALISM at it's best, you got one part right at
least. I make money on a trip which was dangerous, and
I traveled thousands of miles from home. Dang, who
would guess that it might be nice to make a profit,
sure helps make up for all the UNPROFITABLE trips.
I will tell you what, I have made this offer before, I
will gladly give up my profit making if you pony up
the thousands of dollars that each trip costs
BEFOREHAND. AWWWW, I thought so, no-one will do that,
the risk of financial loss AND GAIN is all mine to
bear.


Kevin, I tried to have the meteorite excavated, and by
the way, the video is being worked on, which will be
posted soon you can all see my make my speach to the
village, you can all see what I said firsthand, to see
my interest was, in saving the meteorite from
destruction, not taking it! I could not carry tons
away in my luggage, so please stop acting like I was
trying to. The crater is full of human waste, garbage,
and muddy water, so my friend, do not try and compare
TWO ACHONDRITES like Pena Blanca Spring and Angrs dos
Res to Carancas, you have never seen Carancas, it
starts to rust in HUMID AIR, much less sitting in
water now for nearly one month! PLEASE, let us all
know what happens with a pourous, fragile, metal-rich,
fractured chondrite after one month in sewage. IT IS
MESSED UP already. Sure, it can be dug up still, but
by the second it is becoming more and more worthless
in every form of value.

You can't handle it, you can't handle that you have
nothing to do with meteorites, you can't handle that I
am traveling the world getting them, I was in Spain, I
was in Colombia, and I was in Peru in a span of less
than 10 days time, all three trips with meteorites
that I recovered.
Last time you fought with me I was in India, years ago
getting a meteorite, it is the same story then, you
crying about me doing my job.
Get over it, stay in Costa Rica, play with your hotel
and leave me out of your emails. Then we will both be
happy.
Michael Farmer
Received on Wed 10 Oct 2007 03:23:22 AM PDT