[meteorite-list] Frederiksburg iron

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:12:10 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <997285.88578.qm_at_web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jason,
This is a meteorite list. The Fredericksburg/Richland
meteorite was purchased by hundreds of people. they
have a right to know why it was never
submitted/classified officially.
Actually it is you that is ignoring most of what I
say. You state in your first email to me that I
"snatched" the meteorite. If you demand that I
apologize to Dr. Wasson, then you must, thus agree
with that assertion. So please do not tell people on
this list that I am lying Jason, I am not and have no
reason to.

You asked for me to copy and paste where you accused
me of "snatching" the meteorite, so here goes:

"""""""Well, you did know that he wanted it, and all
he knew at the time was
that we'd just come along and that we might actually
have enough money
to buy the %$%#$ (edited) thing for/with him. In
other words, the moment he had
enough funding to possibly buy it, you fly up to
Alaska and snatch it
up from under him. Knowingly or not, this is what you
did. That
being said, I NEVER said that this justified his
actions (not
submitting it), but then again, assuming that you have
the chemical
data (and you can get it from him), you can submit the
bloody thing
yourself."""""""""""""""""

That is as clear cut as it gets Jason.
You can get angry, block my emails etc, but you can't
just say what you want then get angry and refuse to
listen to the other side (actually you can it seems).

And yes Jason, I have known you a long time, 12 year
old kids are not stupid, I never said that, give me a
break. I said that you were young back then, and thus
likely do not know every darn thing about this
transaction that you think you know/remmember.

Anyway, the issue has been resolved, the meteorite
community now knows the deal with Fredericksburg, and
now everyone can properly label their collection.
So in closing, thank you for posting the remark about
Fredericksburg, it led to the answer.
And thank you list members, who bought
Fredeicksburg/Richland so many years back, now you all
know what took so long with this meteorite.

Michael Farmer

--- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:

> Done with French...
> o...k.....
>
> You're lying. Copy and paste it for the list to
> see, please.
> I told you that you did wrong in not apologizing.
> You're saying that
> I said that you did wrong back then.
> Come on Mike, I want to see this.
>
> I told you that John saw it that way. JOHN SAW IT
> THAT WAY.
> I've said it at least ten times now.
>
> John saw what you did as snatching it. =/= You DID
> snatch it.
>
> Do you see the difference? I do........
>
> And the question isn't, as you say, why I think I
> know more about the
> deal than you do.
> I never said that I did.
> You said that.
> I simply said that I knew my side and that you knew
> yours.
> If you think you know more about my side of it than
> I do (apparently
> it's all lies anyways), go ahead and do so - I know
> you're wrong, and
> frankly I don't value your opinion on this highly.
> Now, you've told me your end of the story about six
> times now, and I
> think I know it pretty well. Not better than you,
> but pretty damn
> well.
>
> Now I understand why people get frustrated with you.
> Even when I type
> in English, you don't read half of what I say, and
> only take the bits
> that incite you even more.
> And why the hell is this all public again? What
> the....why? Just...why?
> Why the hell do 600 people need to read this? Or
> delete it.
>
> I don't get it Mike...I thought this was resolved
> hours ago, and made
> a little note saying it was resolved privately.
> Then you dragged it
> up again, and now you're just putting crap that I
> never said in my
> mouth. Arguing is one thing, but lying? You lost
> me with that one.
> It's like you just want to drag it out for the sake
> of the argument.
>
> And nice playing the age card - just fyi, 12 year
> old's have
> functioning brains with memories too ;)
> In fact, studies show that until puberty ends, the
> brain has phases of
> development and expansion, as well as a vastly
> increased
> learning/memory capacity compared with that of
> adults. So if
> anything, I probably remember this all better than
> you do...
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> On 3/19/07, Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Jason,
> > Apologize to John for what? Paying the man who
> wanted
> > to sell the meteorite, something that John would
> > not/could not do? Sorry, but no thanks.
> > If Dr. Wasson is holding the data, waiting for an
> > apology from me after I gave him more than half a
> > kilo, that what kind of scientist is he? How did I
> > deal with John after the fact? I gave him more
> than
> > 500 grams of a rare meteorite, and never heard one
> > word from him again, so please explain how I did
> > anything after the fact? That makes no sense.
> > There is no argument here, just a simple reciting
> of
> > facts regarding a meteorite that I bought. How old
> > were you back then, I don't know your exact age,
> but I
> > guess you would have been around 11 or 12 years
> old
> > back then? Why do you presume to know more about
> this
> > transaction than the man who made the deal, jumped
> on
> > a plane, and spent more than $20,000 in hundred
> dollar
> > bills? That alone makes no sense.
> > Actually you told me privately that I did wrong,
> > whether knowingly or unkowingly by "snatching" the
> > meteorite from your/Wasson's hands. I told you
> that
> > the emails clearly showed that Wasson was not
> > responding to him, so he found me on the internet,
> > offered me the meteorite, and I bought it. I
> > understand that you and Wasson might be
> dissapointed
> > that you did not get the meteorite, but obviously
> the
> > negotiations were not going well, or he would not
> have
> > looked me up and sold me the meteorite now would
> he?
> > It seems that by your temper, and use of curse
> words,
> > that there is an underlying issue here, and you
> > refusal to answer my private emails confirms that,
> > since I countered your assertions with no
> rebuttal.
> >
> > Enjoy your French homework, I found Spanish a much
> > more useful language to learn in today's world. I
> > myself, still suffer jetlag, so must get to bed.
> >
> > thanks to Mike Jenson for clearing up the
> > classification issue, that allows everyone to
> finalize
> > their collection information.
> > Michael Farmer
> >
> > --- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Mike,
> > > Again, you ignore my difference of opinion with
> you
> > > on the time scale,
> > > after restating a minute ago that it was seven
> years
> > > ago, etc.
> > > I refuse to further this travesty of an
> argument.
> > > If you simply
> > > ignore me the entire time, why the hell should I
> > > prolong it?
> > > Good Night. I've said my bit - assuming that
> > > Fredericksburg would get
> > > its own name, even though it is paired to
> Richland,
> > > you can apologize
> > > to John and it'll be submitted. If you think
> your
> > > pride is worth more
> > > than that, it's your decision, and no one's
> fault
> > > but your own, if not
> > > by the original action, by the way you dealed
> with
> > > John afterwards.
> > > I just wondered why it hadn't been submitted
> after
> > > so long. I had
> > > only our side of the story before, now I have
> yours
> > > as well. It's a
> > > shame you still have just yours.
> > > I said repeatedly that I thought that you did no
> > > real wrong based on
> > > the information that you had. I also stated
> that,
> > >
> > >
> > > If you want what I really said, read the
> messages I
> > > sent you. It
> > > doesn't sound to me as if you have.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm going to do French homework.
> > > If you reply, Mike, it'll be to yourself.
> > > Jason
> > >
> > > On 3/19/07, Michael Farmer
> <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Again, if there is a problem with the sale, it
> > > would
> > > > be more on the Wasson/owner of the meteorite
> in
> > > Alaska
> > > > side of the coin, not on my side.
> > > > Simple
> > > > Man in Alaska emails me about 47 kilo
> meteorite.
> > > > I make offer.
> > > > Man accepts offer.
> > > > I fly to Alaska some days later with many $100
>
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Received on Tue 20 Mar 2007 12:12:10 PM PDT