[meteorite-list] Fredericksburg meteorite and politics ofscience

From: Pete Pete <rsvp321_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:12:09 -0400
Message-ID: <BAY141-F16E95F14F43DB740E73ACBF8750_at_phx.gbl>

>>he ignored me, and sat on the
information for years

Hi, List,
This may be a silly question, but if one location of analysis is a bit
tardy, is it unethical to send another sample to another lab?

Cheers,
Pete


From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fredericksburg meteorite and politics
ofscience
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:34:48 -0700 (PDT)

Dirk, I have no idea, but it is clearly a personal
issue with Dr. Wasson. I gave them more than 500 grams
of a meteorite, I was never contacted again, or
thanked for that gift. I was further ignored for
nearly a decade when time and time again, I requested
data.
That there could be an argument about who was on the
meteorite first, well, this is the real world. Dr
Wasson had years to buy the meteorite. He did not, he
got angry when the owner decided to sell to me. I saw
the emails, asking time and time again that Dr. Wasson
make a decision on the meteorite, all unanswered.
Can ANYONE see a problem then, with me forking over
$100 bills, HUNDREDS of them, when the owner offered
the meteorite to me? Mr Wasson was then outraged that
I snatched the meteorite from UCLA! That is laughable.
So after I gave him for free something that I have
paid thousands for, he ignored me, and sat on the
information for years. This is true professionalism in
science right there!
Michael Farmer
--- drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Open letter to the LIST and the NOMCOM and
> Meteoritics
> Researchers,
>
> Mike Farmer and others have brought up the question
> of
> ethics and politics in meteoritics among
> researchers.
> Two examples that come to mind are Fredricksburg and
> NWA 869.
> Does the NOMCOM have an ethics committte or a
> special committe that is assigned to researching
> scientific misconduct and other problems within the
> research community and the NOMCOM itself?
> If you know of other research misconduct please
> feel
> free to write about it on this list or privately.
> Thank you, Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
>
> --- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > List members.
> > I must express my disappointment with Jason for
> > quipping that the fact that the Fredericksburg
> > meteorite has not been classified, thus is not a
> > meteorite. Jason, here are you exact words "It
> would
> > be something like calling
> > Fredericksburg (remember that Hexahedrite from a
> few
> > years ago?) an approved meteorite - it's never
> been
> > mentioned in the bulletin or elsewhere, so how can
> > you?"
> >
> > Jason, you know it is a meteorite, and you know
> why
> > it
> > has not been approved. Politics and personal
> grudge
> > has turned science into a farce. John Wasson at
> UCLA
> > (the top iron meteorite scientist in the world"
> > refuses to submit it since I bought it. He
> > classified
> > it, confirmed with the owner that it was a
> > Hexahedrite
> > that was not paired to any other known meteorite,
> > and
> > tried to buy it. He did not try very hard, as he
> had
> > several years head-start on me. The owner sent
> many
> > faxes and emails to Dr. Wasson, who did not
> respond
> > for more than one year. Tired of waiting, the
> owner
> > found me on eBay, called me, and we made a price.
> I
> > was in Alaska only days later, cash in hand and
> saw
> > the copies of emails. He told me he needed money
> and
> > could no longer wait on UCLA, which did not return
> > his
> > emails/faxes and phone calls. The emails I saw
> were
> > very clear, asking Dr. Wasson to get in touch with
> > him
> > and finalize a price and purchase agreement. Those
> > phone calls, faxes, and emails all went unanswered
> > for
> > nearly a year.
> >
> > Only days after announcing that I had bought the
> > meteorite, I received a rather terse and abrupt
> > email
> > from Dr. Wasson, angry that I had bought "his
> > meteorite" and he demanded a large piece for UCLA
> > since they had done the work on the meteorite. I
> > sent
> > them an end cut weighing more than 500 grams
> > (Perhaps
> > as much as 800 grams, I can't remember because
> that
> > was more than seven years ago). I never heard one
> > more
> > word from Dr. Wasson, not a "thank you" or
> anything.
> > I
> > emailed him numerous times requesting the
> > classification data, with no response. I heard
> > through
> > other scientists that he was quite angry with me
> for
> > buying what he felt was his meteorite.
> > It has now been more than seven years since I
> bought
> > Fredericksburg, I don't even remember the exact
> > year,
> > but in that time, it has all been sold off.
> >
> > Did I leave anything out? Do you know more about
> > this?
> > Can I ask what you are calling me on? If UCLA
> could
> > not make a decision or raise the funds years after
> > knowing about this meteorite, then I think the
> loss
> > was due to their own lack of interest and
> > follow-through and ignoring the repeated requests
> of
> > the man trying to sell them the meteorite. The
> owner
> > needed money, and years
> > after asking UCLA for it, decided to sell to
> myself.
> >
> > So actually, more than seven years after I bought
> > the
> > meteorite, and provided more than 500 grams to
> > UCLA,
> > Dr Wasson refuses to finish the job he started
> years
> > before I ever heard of the meteorite. I guess
> > politics
> > triumphs over science in this case.
> > Pieces of the Fredericksburg meteorite are in
> > collections and museums around the world. Mr
> Wasson
> > has the data, so perhaps people who have bought
> this
> > meteorite should start emailing Dr. Wasson, and
> ask
> > him why he will not submit it a decade after doing
> > the
> > classification. My emails to him have gone
> > unanswered,
> > so I have to assume that any further attempts by
> me
> > to
> > get the data will meet the same fate.
> > Michael Farmer
> >
> >
> > This is a simple and complete history of the
> > Fredericksburg meteorite from Texas.
> >
> >
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