[meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are your opinions on this claim

From: ken newton <magellon_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:03:30 -0500
Message-ID: <45D0E432.8020101_at_earthlink.net>

Randall,
I think we would all be interested in seeing photos of the crater you
found and your suspect meteorites rather than the roundabout way you
began this discussion. As to whether anyone can assist you, depends if
you are seeking truth or a preconceived idea.

If you are really seeking the truth, I offer one piece of advice, don't
rely on your own conclusions. Let the evidence (test results) as
evaluated by two experts be the final say so. If the first does not lead
you where you thought it might, get a second opinion of the evidence and
if nothing has changed, let it drop.

Sadly, there are too many persons that have obsessed over simple objects
to their folly. Instead of heeding correct expert analyses they jump to
the next expert hoping for a different result, critical of any who do
not share their imagined expectation. "Why can't it be this rare thing
or that rare thing" they ask. (see - http://tinyurl.com/34zlbf) The
fruitage of obsession is frustration and paranoia. Not a good road to
be on.

Best Wishes on the recovery of the main mass,
Ken Newton


 
Randall Gregory wrote:

> Ken,
> Thank you for you reply and the link to webwrongs. Yes, it's theolitic
> basalt with a melted surface. I hope you will keep an open mind and
> take the time to read this. Please take a look at the Geophysical
> Meteors on the web link you provided.
>
> I have had many communications with the author of that website, Dr.
> Andrei Ol'khovatov. If you would look at the Peruvian meteorite
> sighting on that website you will see that it was a mid-day witnessed
> fall and the impact was recorded by 3 different seismic stations
> (Arica Chile, Arequipa Peru, and Lima Peru). Dr. Mutsumi Shisutka
> (Institute Geophysical Peru) and Dr. Armando Minaya UNSA (University
> National San Agustin) assisted me by providing seismic recordings, and
> in turn, I provided them with the actual location of the crater. The
> actual location of the crater was important in helping to adjust their
> equipment in refining earthquake epicenters.
>
> The main mass at this current time in in-extractable due to the
> terrain but efforts are underway contracting with a heavy equipment
> operator to bulldoze a small dirt road. I have talked with the local
> government about buying a 100 hectares mining concession encompassing
> the crater to protect it. When the main mass is uncovered, I'll know more.
>
> It took me 2 years and 6 separate expeditions to find the crater. I
> lived for a time in the area of El Castillo with a family that
> witnessed this event. With satellite photos, eyewitness accounts,
> seismic data, detailed charts and assistance provided by the national
> university I searched for the impact area. I found it and I have all
> the proof. What is interesting is that some of the specimens I
> collected near the crater are identical to one of the pictures in the
> venusmeteorite.com.
>
> I went to ACTLABS in Lima, Peru to have a sample analyzed but they
> lacked the equipment necessary. They told me that ACTLABS.com (Canada)
> might be able to provide this analysis.The type of testing I need is
> "space weathering". Specifically, solar to galactic ray tracks, oxygen
> isotope fractionation patterns, radionuclide measurements, and noble
> gas analysis. I would like to find a planetary geologist who will take
> to time to look at a specimen and read the reports but in reality, my
> expectations are low.
>
> I wrote to Dr. Korotev some time ago, but he too has doubts and his
> area of expertise is lunar meteorites. I can tell you that some of the
> rocks near the crater have a black splatter with the same
> characteristics as the samples. In an area of tan to rust colored
> terrain, a rock that looks like melted black plastic is unmistakable.
> I talked with a Peruvian government hydrologist (Jorge Mena) that
> works in this general area and he told me he has never seen rocks like
> that in his 40 years in the field searching for underground aquifers.
>
> Can you speculate what would a inner-planet meteorite look like? Does
> the fact that it fell mid-day have any significance? Would you
> expect a mid-day fall? Are mid-day falls rare? And if 20 years ago
> someone said that they had a meteorite that might just be from Mars,
> would anyone believe them?
>
> I have a lot of evidence but no definitive proof that these are
> meteorites or where they might have come from. I'm hoping you can help
> me find the answer. I am sending a copy of this email to Dr. Korotev
> in the hope that he would be kind enough to provide a introduction
> to Dr. Brett Gladman or Dr. Akira Yamaguchi if possible.
>
> Randall
>
>
>
>
> Hi Randall,
> It's basalt. Here are some more meteorwrong sites (bottom half)
> http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/webwrongs.html
> Best,
> Ken Newton
>
>
>
> Randall Gregory wrote:
>
>> Has anyone seen this website and if so, what are your opinions as
>> to the validity of his claims that the meteorites found are from
>> Venus. And how would anyone know if a meteorite came from one of
>> the inner planets? Would cosmic ray exposure and oxygen isotope
>> be useful. What tests would be definitive?
>>
>>
>> Randall
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