[meteorite-list] A new market and its apocalyptic pilot

From: Thaddeus Besedin <endophasy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:55:57 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <490741.23401.qm_at_web62503.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

If only you could refrain from your smug,
condescending assessments and understand that we don't
assume we are right in science. We falsify our
hypotheses. To be "far ahead" of other archaeological
researchers is to have come to conclusions without
sharing final reports on analysis of the chemical and
physical characteristics of supposed YD impact fallout
sediments from as many sites as possible. After all,
multiple impacts may have occured.

CLOVIS ASSEMBLAGES DID NOT COMPLETELY DIE OUT. I was
referring to the projectile point only, which seems
itself to have been the hallmark of the classic
"mammoth hunter" Clovis assemblage. The association of
"butterfly" and lunate crescentic bifacial objects in
Western sites is dual: Clovis and WPLT (Western
Pluvial Lakes tradition, with projectile point forms
having weak shouldering and typically long contracting
bases and subtriangular-incurvate distal outlines).
The WPLT extended contemporaneously, in its earliest
manifestations, with late Clovis, and extended into
the early Holocene until hypsithermal (Holocene
Climatic Optimum/Altithermal) conditions approximately
9.000 - 8,000 BP dessicated Great Basin pluvial lakes,
with a consequent depopulation of desertified regions;
diversification of resource exploitation in addition
to intensification of specialized foraging economies
is supported by the introduction of ground stone
tools, numerous standardized flake, blade, and
core-based tool forms and a larger variety of
specialized hafting variations on projectile points
(contracting base, side-notched, bifurcated base,
notched base). Clovis hunting died out. Direct
superposition of Goshen, Plainview, Agate Basin, Black
Rock Concave, and a multitude of other concave base
and/or fluted, parallel-sided, lanceolate projectile
biface forms occurs over Clovis-bearing strata; these
successors have similar core reduction and
burin/scraper/graver technology asssociated with their
occurrence, as well as an extreme rarity of ground
stone implements, which suggests limited or no
cultural institutionalization of nutritional reliance
on plant resources. People learn to adapt. A tool's
morphology is as transient as its objective purpose.

Read "INITIAL HUMAN COLONIZATION OF THE AMERICAS: AN
OVERVIEW OF THE
ISSUES AND THE EVIDENCE" by Fiedel in PDF format:
http://radiocarbon.library.arizona.edu/radiocarbon/GetFileServlet?file=file:///data1/pdf/Radiocarbon/Volume44/Number2/azu_radiocarbon_v44_n2_407_436_v.pdf&type=application/pdf

Visit Arizona State University's online radiocarbon
journal archives
(http://radiocarbon.library.arizona.edu/radiocarbon/)
with complete articles and tables for calibration
using any number of free and freely available
calibration programs (http://www.calpal.de/).

Cut through the confusion of calendric/radiocarbon
conversion.

"Giant" and "tall" are two different words.

Some stuff on the Andaste (Susquehannock)
http://www.spanishhill.com/Skeletons/Authors_note.htm

--- "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Thaddeus -
>
> >Individual skeletons, not entire collective burial
> of
> > members of particular genetically tall groups,
> were
> > interred in the fashion described by Dragoo.
>
> Yes, but you've omitted to tell the list that Dragoo
> and separately Neuman were so shocked by the height
> of
> those "individual" skeletons they excavated that
> Dragoo spent about half of his book "Mounds for the
> Dead" trying to account for them.
>
> Amazingly a small pocket of the "Adena" survived
> until
> European contact - their proper name in English is
> "Andaste"; I won't attempt the Iroquois, Ojibwe,
> HoChunk, or Shawnee here - and their entire
> population
> were "giant", not just a few individuals.
>
> The Andaste are thoroughly documented in my book
> "Man
> and Impact in the Americas", and I think you might
> enjoy reading the eyewitness accounts of these
> "Adena"
> people, detailed to the point of describing how they
> urinated (being a giant presented some problems,
> apparently) along with the full citations for
> further
> reading, if you wish.
>
> >An impact did not wipe out the Clovis people, but
> the
> >fluted point style specialized for the killing and
> >butchering of megafauna became extinct as a result
> of
> >rapid reversion to glacial conditions and
> subsequent
> >irreversible extinction of most megafauna.
>
> Hmmm. Have you considered that the climate change
> which led to starvation of the mega-faunal may also
> have led to starvation of many of those people? That
> does not include those killed by the direct blast
> effects of impacts.
>
> Despite these reservations, it's pleasant to find
> someone broadly in agreement with me. In my view,
> many
> people did survive the initial impacts - you can see
> my comments on the Brook Run (Remington quarry) site
> back in 2002 and my estimate then of what would need
> to be done to demonstrate the holocene start
> impacts:
>
> http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/ce010702.html
>
> in particular the section entitled:
>
> A DISCONTINUOUS DEVELOPMENT?
>
> which describes exactly the work that the Holocene
> Impact Working Group recently presented.
>
> Use of Remington Quarry continued through 10,900 BCE
> to about 8,350 BCE, if memory serves me right. I
> could look up the dead on adjusted radio carbon
> dates
> in my book, but since you don't own a copy of it,
> there doesn't seem to be much point.
>
> > Until radiocarbon and stratigraphic analysis can
> define the duration and breadth of events directly
> preceding the rapid climatic change of the Younger
> Dryas,
>
> There are also new cores coming from the USGS,
> particularly cores from the coastal Carolinas
> region,
> and I'm really looking forward to the sections in
> them on the intrusive marine sediments, and their
> timing.
>
> > impacts will hold no assumed correlation to
> climatic
> change in that period.
>
> I'm fairly certain that the archaeologists,
> geologists
> and paleo-climatologists actually researching this
> are
> well ahead of you here, Thaddeus.
>
> The new impactite layer has been demonstrated -
> there
> is nothing "assumed" about it. What is being done
> now
> is trying to figure out the exact timing and effects
> of the holocene start impacts. My guess right now
> is
> that they fundamentally altered the North Pacific
> Currents, but we'll see.
>
> E.P. Grondine
> Man and Impact in the Americas
> List members can contact me off list and
> I'll be happy to try and work something out with
> you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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