[meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Cutting Material

From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed Oct 18 14:32:34 2006
Message-ID: <019101c6f2e3$c33de7f0$83105c18_at_Gregor>

Dear Ed and List Members,

Ed wrote:
There's a lot of lunar and Martian dust being created by slicing NWAs, and
it might as well be put to a very good use."

I have cutting dust from several of my planetary meteorites I have cut, ones
either from my own discoveries or from purchases from other people's finds.
I used completely cleaned saws and/or polishing equipment prior to cutting
and/or polishing so the material is as pure as it can be considering the
sawing and polishing contaminants. I also have cutting/polishing material
from just about every rare meteorite (i.e. brachinite, angrite, diogenite,
olivine diogenite, EL3, etc.) I have cut.

If anyone is interested in some quantities of any of this material, please
contact me off list for an inventory of what I have and how many grams of
each you would like. If I sell a large amount to a dealer or collector, I
will not offer the same material in large quantities to others as to not
create a competing environment for the person who first acquired said
material in quantity. I will offer smaller amounts in the glass tubes like I
already do to collectors however if I choose, if I have any of the material
left.

I am also open to suggestions as Ed has stated as to how to best present
this material.

Best regards,
Greg

====================
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com
IMCA 3163
====================


----- Original Message -----
From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine_at_yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re "Bessey Specks"


> Hi all -
>
> We're ignoring the important issues of display and
> presentation here.
>
> I seem to remember that Dean had imbedded the specks
> in $100 lucite cubes. Way too expensive for young
> people, who sometimes loose things.
>
> While the little glass tubes that Greg Hupe used will
> fit well in little hands, I am worried about the
> glass, which limits the age of the recipient.
>
> I seem to remember little plastic boxes with
> magnifying lenses built into the top of them, but I
> don't think these would be very elegant/pretty, and
> the tubes are better.
>
> Some kind of flat embossed plastic holder with a
> magnifier molded into it might be ideal, say a blank
> one on which labels could be printed on a computer and
> then applied.
>
> What kind of presentation do you think would be ideal
> for Bessey Specks?
>
> There's a lot of lunar and martian dust being created
> by slicing NWAs, and it might as well be put to a very
> good use.
>
> good hunting,
> Ed
>
> --- tracy latimer <daistiho_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For myself, I've always considered a Bessey Speck to
>> be anything smaller
>> than a match head or grain of rice. Adequate to
>> fill in a space in a
>> collection where larger samples are unavailable or
>> prohibitively expensive,
>> but no good for seeing lithologies without a
>> microscope or 10x lens,
>> minimum.
>>
>> Tracy Latimer
>>
>> >From: Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_cox.net>
>> >To: MexicoDoug <MexicoDoug_at_aim.com>,Adam Hupe
>> <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
>> >CC: Meteorite List
>> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re
>> "Bessey Specks"
>> >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:25:43 -0700
>> >
>> >Doug and all,
>> > This is closer - but to be truly a "Bessey
>> Speck" a specimen
>> >must be small enough to VERY, VERY EASILY fit in
>> the smallest
>> >sized gelatin capsule (they come in a variety of
>> sizes) and should
>> >be difficult or nearly difficult to see for anyone
>> with less than 20/20
>> >vision. Also referred to as a "Micro-mini" to
>> differentiate from what Adam
>> >referred to as a "micromount" which can be as large
>> as 1" X 1" !
>> >"Micromount" is well established as fitting in a 1
>> X 1 - though this
>> >has been "challenged" with the considerably larger,
>> yet still small
>> >membrane boxes, which I am sure many would consider
>> "micromount"
>> >as opposed to "macromount" which are ROUGHLY those
>> that would
>> >fit in a 2" X 2" box.
>> > Back to Bessey Speck - it MUST be VERY
>> small to qualify,
>> >and certainly MUCH, MUCH smaller than 1" X 1" !
>> > I regret I must run off to teaching a
>> couple of classes - this is
>> >much more interesting to me than arguments.
>> > Michael
>> >
>> >
>> >on 10/17/06 12:58 PM, MexicoDoug at
>> MexicoDoug_at_aim.com wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello Adam, Listees,
>> > >
>> > > Bessey Speck
>> > > (1) A commercially marketed,
>> submillimeter-sized, granular or
>> >irregular,
>> > > intentionally broken petreus meteoritical
>> fragment which collectors
>> >prize as
>> > > a token possession of an expensive meteorite or
>> of one with limited
>> > > distribution, typically used more as a
>> conversational piece or to
>> > > satisfactorily fill a primal participatatory
>> instinct for collection and
>> > > coat-tailing on the "wow-effect" of possession
>> of the parent specimen.
>> > > Compare to "Particle", "Stardust", "Crumb",
>> "Micro" and "Micromount".
>> > > (2) Any, almost microscopic-sized particle
>> originating from a larger
>> >(macro)
>> > > meteorite specimen.
>> > >
>> > > Note, I'm not disagreeing with Adam' response to
>> Ed in the sense that
>> >the
>> > > term micromount is a term in the toolbox,
>> although I think the word
>> >particle
>> > > is more descriptive for most of our uses. I am
>> agreeing with Michael
>> >Blood
>> > > that the term Bessey Speck has a place.
>> > >
>> > > The questionably honorific term "Bessey Speck"
>> seems like a much more
>> > > descriptive term to me than micromount for many
>> collectors. To me a
>> > > "micromount" implies some sort of serious grand
>> plan of scientific
>> > > investigation or illustration of specific
>> attributes. Size alone
>> >doesn't
>> > > count, as much as purpose. For example,
>> Stardust particles are not
>> > > micromounts unless prepared that way despite
>> Adam's definition, and they
>> >are
>> > > not Bessey Specks, though micro-Besseyspeckies
>> are certainly
>> >hypothetically
>> > > possible.
>> > >
>> > > "Bessey Speck" consideres that not all particles
>> commercially sold in
>> >venues
>> > > like eBay find scientific use regardless of who
>> is doing the selling.
>> >That's
>> > > where Bessey Speck is a unique and interesting
>> term. Adam's definition
>> > > clearly has the weighted meaning toward a
>> usually higher "scientific"
>> >use in
>> > > observing material properties: appreciation with
>> binocular microscope,
>> > > better developed crystals, etc... The short
>> comment in that definition
>> > > "obtaining for less," especially given the
>> profit and pleasure motives
>> > > between buyers and sellers, really seems quite
>> out of place to me.
>> >Adam's
>> > > post wasn't clear, at least for me, if he
>> disagreed with the use of the
>> >term
>> > > Bessey Speck or just was offering Ed an
>> alternate (which I definitely
>> >agree
>> > > with Adam in doing).
>> > >
>> > > I am not comfortable with the term micromount
>> being more properly used
>> >for
>> > > specimens purposefully shattered into small bits
>> with a sledge for the
>> > > unadulterated and pure pleasure of collectors
>> filling holes in their
>> > > collections, a majority of which are not "better
>> appreciating" their
>> >samples
>> > > in a binocular microscope which many don't have
>> nor have too much
>> >motivation
>> > > to get.
>> > >
>> > > Didn't "Bessey Speck" usage start with Dean's
>> Mars rock sales many years
>> > > before most of our times? I am trying to
>> remember Kevin Kitchinka's
>> > > comments in "The Art of Meteorite Collecting"
>> (don't have handy here)
>> >where
>> > > an explanation of the etymology of this colorful
>> term was published and
>> >my
>> > > Mars' comment references. Bessey Specks,
>> though, gets the point across
>> >much
>> > > better for me! It's ll in the intended use and
>> market. While I don'
>> >think
>> > > a "Micromount" is an appropiate common sense
>> description for something
>> >not
>> > > carefully prepared and mounted to exhibit some
>> characteristic, heck - if
>> > > their not even carefully mounted...
>> > >
>> > > So, unless Dean objects to being immortalized in
>> this fashion, that is
>> >my 2
>> > > centavos.
>> > > Doug
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
>> > > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:53 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey
>> Specks"
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > The term micromount has been used for decades to
>> describe this type of
>> > > specimen.
>> > >
>> > > Micromount:
>> > >
>> > > Micromount is term used by mineral collectors
>> and rockhounds to describe
>> > > mineral specimens that are best appreciated
>> using a binocular
>> >microscope.
>> > > Micromount specimen collecting has a number of
>> advantages, specimens
>> >take up
>> > > less space, rare minerals can be obtained for
>> less and smaller crystals
>> >are
>> > > more perfectly developed.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > All the best,
>> > >
>> > > Adam
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine_at_yahoo.com>
>> > > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:07 AM
>> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Hi Michael, list -
>> > >>
>> > >> I see you list your Bessey Specks as "frags".
>> > >>
>> > >> (Your price of $25 seems very fair for Nakla
>> specks,
>> > >> but I already picked up Mars Bessey Specks for
>> > >> childrens' gifts at Christmas from Hupe.)
>> > >>
>> > >> Clearly, there is a need for a more elegant
>> term than
>> > >> "Bessey Specks" for these. Does anybody have
>> any
>> > >> proposals? If not, is Dean(?-stroke damage)
>> Bessey
>> > >> going to be immortalized by having these
>> formally
>> > >> named after him?
>> > >>
>> > >> Hupe also sent the Bessey specks in small tubes
>> > >> suitable for young hands, along with 1 nice
>> pair of
>> > >> cards (BTW I need a second pair of cards for
>> the
>> > >> second set of tubes, Greg), instead of gelatin
>> > >> capsules.
>> > >>
>> > >> Perhaps microscope slides would be more
>> suitable for
>> > >> adult use, but as I don't remember any
>> discussion of
>> > >> these on the list, I'm bringing it up now.
>> > >>
>> > >> good hunting -
>> > >> Ed
>> > >>
>> > >> --- Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_cox.net> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Greetings fellow space treasure lovers,
>> > >>> This post includes a fabulous, large
>> iron
>> > >>> and an entire new
>> > >>> page of historic calls.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> FIRST:
>> > >>> A beautiful 6.5 Kg / 14.3 Lb S-A Shrapnel
>> piece that
>> > >>> appears for all
>> > >>> the world to be an oriented shield on one side
>> and a
>> > >>> flat, oriented
>> > >>> specimen heading to the left in a downward
>> angle on
>> > >>> the other side.
>> > >>> This piece includes an custom build
>> display
>> > >>> stand to facilitate
>> > >>> a very impressive display of its virtues.
>> > >>> If no one snaps this up on sale it
>> will go
>> > >>> into my catalog
>> > >>> at $3,250- but the first to contact me will
>> take it
>> > >>> in this sale for 2,750-
>> > >>> (price includes shipping and insurance inside
>> the
>> > >>> US)
>> > >>> This spectacular piece can be seen
>> at:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> http://community.webshots.com/album/554884324rEfSPa
>> > >>>
>> > >>> SECOND:
>> > >>> I have set up an entire page dedicated to
>> hammers ?
>> > >>> meteorites that have
>> > >>> struck man made objects, animals or humans.
>> This is
>> > >>> a collection of the
>> > >>> most impressive of all the recorded meteorite
>> falls
>> > >>> in history. I have 35
>> > >>> different recorded falls (including Bessey
>> Specks of
>> > >>> Sylacauga, Yurtuk and
>> > >>> Burnwell). About half of the falls can also be
>> found
>> > >>> elsewhere with diligent
>> > >>> searching ? and you will find my prices are as
>> low
>> > >>> as anyone's. The others
>> > >>> cannot be had anywhere else. They are priced
>> > >>> according to cost. This page
>> > >>> is
>> > >>> worth checking out even if you don't want to
>> buy
>> > >>> anything ? it was 5 years
>> > >>> in the making and includes historical photos,
>> links,
>> > >>> etc. See at the URL
>> > >>> below:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers.html
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Pieces on the Hammer page will be marked
>> "SOLD" as
>> > >>> orders come in ?
>> > >>> so, if it is still listed when you email me,
>> it is
>> > >>> available.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> PayPal preferred (sent to this email
>> > >>> address) Visa/Mastercard
>> > >>> and personal checks gladly accepted.
>> > >>> Happy Hunting! Michael
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
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