AW: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Cutting Material

From: Martin Altmann <altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed Oct 18 14:46:46 2006
Message-ID: <01a801c6f2e5$b41efc80$4f41fea9_at_name86d88d87e2>

Well Greg,

send the lunar dust to your competitors in foreign countries.
If the customs officer will ask them, what this white powder in those zip
bags should be, and they grin and state: "Moon dust, man.",
they will have a lot of fun.

Buckleboo!
Martin

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg
Hupe
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. Oktober 2006 20:32
An: E.P. Grondine
Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Cutting Material

Dear Ed and List Members,

Ed wrote:
There's a lot of lunar and Martian dust being created by slicing NWAs, and
it might as well be put to a very good use."

I have cutting dust from several of my planetary meteorites I have cut, ones

either from my own discoveries or from purchases from other people's finds.
I used completely cleaned saws and/or polishing equipment prior to cutting
and/or polishing so the material is as pure as it can be considering the
sawing and polishing contaminants. I also have cutting/polishing material
from just about every rare meteorite (i.e. brachinite, angrite, diogenite,
olivine diogenite, EL3, etc.) I have cut.

If anyone is interested in some quantities of any of this material, please
contact me off list for an inventory of what I have and how many grams of
each you would like. If I sell a large amount to a dealer or collector, I
will not offer the same material in large quantities to others as to not
create a competing environment for the person who first acquired said
material in quantity. I will offer smaller amounts in the glass tubes like I

already do to collectors however if I choose, if I have any of the material
left.

I am also open to suggestions as Ed has stated as to how to best present
this material.

Best regards,
Greg

====================
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com
IMCA 3163
====================


----- Original Message -----
From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine_at_yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re "Bessey Specks"


> Hi all -
>
> We're ignoring the important issues of display and
> presentation here.
>
> I seem to remember that Dean had imbedded the specks
> in $100 lucite cubes. Way too expensive for young
> people, who sometimes loose things.
>
> While the little glass tubes that Greg Hupe used will
> fit well in little hands, I am worried about the
> glass, which limits the age of the recipient.
>
> I seem to remember little plastic boxes with
> magnifying lenses built into the top of them, but I
> don't think these would be very elegant/pretty, and
> the tubes are better.
>
> Some kind of flat embossed plastic holder with a
> magnifier molded into it might be ideal, say a blank
> one on which labels could be printed on a computer and
> then applied.
>
> What kind of presentation do you think would be ideal
> for Bessey Specks?
>
> There's a lot of lunar and martian dust being created
> by slicing NWAs, and it might as well be put to a very
> good use.
>
> good hunting,
> Ed
>
> --- tracy latimer <daistiho_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For myself, I've always considered a Bessey Speck to
>> be anything smaller
>> than a match head or grain of rice. Adequate to
>> fill in a space in a
>> collection where larger samples are unavailable or
>> prohibitively expensive,
>> but no good for seeing lithologies without a
>> microscope or 10x lens,
>> minimum.
>>
>> Tracy Latimer
>>
>> >From: Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_cox.net>
>> >To: MexicoDoug <MexicoDoug_at_aim.com>,Adam Hupe
>> <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
>> >CC: Meteorite List
>> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re
>> "Bessey Specks"
>> >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:25:43 -0700
>> >
>> >Doug and all,
>> > This is closer - but to be truly a "Bessey
>> Speck" a specimen
>> >must be small enough to VERY, VERY EASILY fit in
>> the smallest
>> >sized gelatin capsule (they come in a variety of
>> sizes) and should
>> >be difficult or nearly difficult to see for anyone
>> with less than 20/20
>> >vision. Also referred to as a "Micro-mini" to
>> differentiate from what Adam
>> >referred to as a "micromount" which can be as large
>> as 1" X 1" !
>> >"Micromount" is well established as fitting in a 1
>> X 1 - though this
>> >has been "challenged" with the considerably larger,
>> yet still small
>> >membrane boxes, which I am sure many would consider
>> "micromount"
>> >as opposed to "macromount" which are ROUGHLY those
>> that would
>> >fit in a 2" X 2" box.
>> > Back to Bessey Speck - it MUST be VERY
>> small to qualify,
>> >and certainly MUCH, MUCH smaller than 1" X 1" !
>> > I regret I must run off to teaching a
>> couple of classes - this is
>> >much more interesting to me than arguments.
>> > Michael
>> >
>> >
>> >on 10/17/06 12:58 PM, MexicoDoug at
>> MexicoDoug_at_aim.com wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello Adam, Listees,
>> > >
>> > > Bessey Speck
>> > > (1) A commercially marketed,
>> submillimeter-sized, granular or
>> >irregular,
>> > > intentionally broken petreus meteoritical
>> fragment which collectors
>> >prize as
>> > > a token possession of an expensive meteorite or
>> of one with limited
>> > > distribution, typically used more as a
>> conversational piece or to
>> > > satisfactorily fill a primal participatatory
>> instinct for collection and
>> > > coat-tailing on the "wow-effect" of possession
>> of the parent specimen.
>> > > Compare to "Particle", "Stardust", "Crumb",
>> "Micro" and "Micromount".
>> > > (2) Any, almost microscopic-sized particle
>> originating from a larger
>> >(macro)
>> > > meteorite specimen.
>> > >
>> > > Note, I'm not disagreeing with Adam' response to
>> Ed in the sense that
>> >the
>> > > term micromount is a term in the toolbox,
>> although I think the word
>> >particle
>> > > is more descriptive for most of our uses. I am
>> agreeing with Michael
>> >Blood
>> > > that the term Bessey Speck has a place.
>> > >
>> > > The questionably honorific term "Bessey Speck"
>> seems like a much more
>> > > descriptive term to me than micromount for many
>> collectors. To me a
>> > > "micromount" implies some sort of serious grand
>> plan of scientific
>> > > investigation or illustration of specific
>> attributes. Size alone
>> >doesn't
>> > > count, as much as purpose. For example,
>> Stardust particles are not
>> > > micromounts unless prepared that way despite
>> Adam's definition, and they
>> >are
>> > > not Bessey Specks, though micro-Besseyspeckies
>> are certainly
>> >hypothetically
>> > > possible.
>> > >
>> > > "Bessey Speck" consideres that not all particles
>> commercially sold in
>> >venues
>> > > like eBay find scientific use regardless of who
>> is doing the selling.
>> >That's
>> > > where Bessey Speck is a unique and interesting
>> term. Adam's definition
>> > > clearly has the weighted meaning toward a
>> usually higher "scientific"
>> >use in
>> > > observing material properties: appreciation with
>> binocular microscope,
>> > > better developed crystals, etc... The short
>> comment in that definition
>> > > "obtaining for less," especially given the
>> profit and pleasure motives
>> > > between buyers and sellers, really seems quite
>> out of place to me.
>> >Adam's
>> > > post wasn't clear, at least for me, if he
>> disagreed with the use of the
>> >term
>> > > Bessey Speck or just was offering Ed an
>> alternate (which I definitely
>> >agree
>> > > with Adam in doing).
>> > >
>> > > I am not comfortable with the term micromount
>> being more properly used
>> >for
>> > > specimens purposefully shattered into small bits
>> with a sledge for the
>> > > unadulterated and pure pleasure of collectors
>> filling holes in their
>> > > collections, a majority of which are not "better
>> appreciating" their
>> >samples
>> > > in a binocular microscope which many don't have
>> nor have too much
>> >motivation
>> > > to get.
>> > >
>> > > Didn't "Bessey Speck" usage start with Dean's
>> Mars rock sales many years
>> > > before most of our times? I am trying to
>> remember Kevin Kitchinka's
>> > > comments in "The Art of Meteorite Collecting"
>> (don't have handy here)
>> >where
>> > > an explanation of the etymology of this colorful
>> term was published and
>> >my
>> > > Mars' comment references. Bessey Specks,
>> though, gets the point across
>> >much
>> > > better for me! It's ll in the intended use and
>> market. While I don'
>> >think
>> > > a "Micromount" is an appropiate common sense
>> description for something
>> >not
>> > > carefully prepared and mounted to exhibit some
>> characteristic, heck - if
>> > > their not even carefully mounted...
>> > >
>> > > So, unless Dean objects to being immortalized in
>> this fashion, that is
>> >my 2
>> > > centavos.
>> > > Doug
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
>> > > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:53 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey
>> Specks"
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > The term micromount has been used for decades to
>> describe this type of
>> > > specimen.
>> > >
>> > > Micromount:
>> > >
>> > > Micromount is term used by mineral collectors
>> and rockhounds to describe
>> > > mineral specimens that are best appreciated
>> using a binocular
>> >microscope.
>> > > Micromount specimen collecting has a number of
>> advantages, specimens
>> >take up
>> > > less space, rare minerals can be obtained for
>> less and smaller crystals
>> >are
>> > > more perfectly developed.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > All the best,
>> > >
>> > > Adam
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine_at_yahoo.com>
>> > > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:07 AM
>> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Hi Michael, list -
>> > >>
>> > >> I see you list your Bessey Specks as "frags".
>> > >>
>> > >> (Your price of $25 seems very fair for Nakla
>> specks,
>> > >> but I already picked up Mars Bessey Specks for
>> > >> childrens' gifts at Christmas from Hupe.)
>> > >>
>> > >> Clearly, there is a need for a more elegant
>> term than
>> > >> "Bessey Specks" for these. Does anybody have
>> any
>> > >> proposals? If not, is Dean(?-stroke damage)
>> Bessey
>> > >> going to be immortalized by having these
>> formally
>> > >> named after him?
>> > >>
>> > >> Hupe also sent the Bessey specks in small tubes
>> > >> suitable for young hands, along with 1 nice
>> pair of
>> > >> cards (BTW I need a second pair of cards for
>> the
>> > >> second set of tubes, Greg), instead of gelatin
>> > >> capsules.
>> > >>
>> > >> Perhaps microscope slides would be more
>> suitable for
>> > >> adult use, but as I don't remember any
>> discussion of
>> > >> these on the list, I'm bringing it up now.
>> > >>
>> > >> good hunting -
>> > >> Ed
>> > >>
>> > >> --- Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_cox.net> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Greetings fellow space treasure lovers,
>> > >>> This post includes a fabulous, large
>> iron
>> > >>> and an entire new
>> > >>> page of historic calls.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> FIRST:
>> > >>> A beautiful 6.5 Kg / 14.3 Lb S-A Shrapnel
>> piece that
>> > >>> appears for all
>> > >>> the world to be an oriented shield on one side
>> and a
>> > >>> flat, oriented
>> > >>> specimen heading to the left in a downward
>> angle on
>> > >>> the other side.
>> > >>> This piece includes an custom build
>> display
>> > >>> stand to facilitate
>> > >>> a very impressive display of its virtues.
>> > >>> If no one snaps this up on sale it
>> will go
>> > >>> into my catalog
>> > >>> at $3,250- but the first to contact me will
>> take it
>> > >>> in this sale for 2,750-
>> > >>> (price includes shipping and insurance inside
>> the
>> > >>> US)
>> > >>> This spectacular piece can be seen
>> at:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> http://community.webshots.com/album/554884324rEfSPa
>> > >>>
>> > >>> SECOND:
>> > >>> I have set up an entire page dedicated to
>> hammers ?
>> > >>> meteorites that have
>> > >>> struck man made objects, animals or humans.
>> This is
>> > >>> a collection of the
>> > >>> most impressive of all the recorded meteorite
>> falls
>> > >>> in history. I have 35
>> > >>> different recorded falls (including Bessey
>> Specks of
>> > >>> Sylacauga, Yurtuk and
>> > >>> Burnwell). About half of the falls can also be
>> found
>> > >>> elsewhere with diligent
>> > >>> searching ? and you will find my prices are as
>> low
>> > >>> as anyone's. The others
>> > >>> cannot be had anywhere else. They are priced
>> > >>> according to cost. This page
>> > >>> is
>> > >>> worth checking out even if you don't want to
>> buy
>> > >>> anything ? it was 5 years
>> > >>> in the making and includes historical photos,
>> links,
>> > >>> etc. See at the URL
>> > >>> below:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers.html
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Pieces on the Hammer page will be marked
>> "SOLD" as
>> > >>> orders come in ?
>> > >>> so, if it is still listed when you email me,
>> it is
>> > >>> available.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> PayPal preferred (sent to this email
>> > >>> address) Visa/Mastercard
>> > >>> and personal checks gladly accepted.
>> > >>> Happy Hunting! Michael
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
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