[meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos please of the H5

From: M come Meteorite Meteorites <mcomemeteorite2004_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat Sep 24 05:31:58 2005
Message-ID: <20050924093155.79444.qmail_at_web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Does not serve the IMCA to seek a laboratory where to
do the analysis...here in Italy if you want I have the
laboratory where analyzed my NWA's, send to this a
piece and you have the analysis.

Matteo


--- Martin Altmann <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de> ha
scritto:

> Hi again too,
>
> and again I say: Holy IMCA do something for your
> image and find a place,
> where this IMB-Capot-Rey will be examined.
> Here in Germany you have to beg the few universities
> on your knees, that
> they accept something, which has chondrules inside
> and you can wait up to 3
> years for a result.
> Ask Irving or Bunch, they are fast.
> As it's so interesting and to be tangent to the IMCA
> ethics in the opinion
> of some people....
> Do some sience and throw in some bucks from the
> IMCA-dues, that we all get
> out the result quickly.
>
> Buckleboo!
> Martin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Kuyken" <info_at_meteorites.com.au>
> To: "Martin Altmann" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>;
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos
> please of the H5
>
>
> > Hello again,
> >
> > Again, you have missed my point. I am simply
> saying that the proper
> science
> > should be done to confirm it as an IMB. No-one is
> saying it's not a
> > beautiful and very striking meteorite but do you
> dissagree that this
> > meteorite should not be properly studied?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Martin Altmann
> > To: Jeff Kuyken ;
> meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 6:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos
> please of the H5
> >
> >
> > Hi Jeff,
> >
> > why it should not be an IMB?
> > Maybe you have in mind, if you think to an IMB,
> only such optically on
> first
> > glimpse uniformly looking black IMBs like Cat
> Mountain or el Kachla, as
> they
> > have only a poor contrast between melt and clasts?
> > An IMB has not to have lost all chondritic
> structures, it hasn't to be
> > totally and completely recrystallized.
> > On contrary a characteristicum of a IMB is the
> mixture of molten material
> > and unmolten material with chondritic structure.
> Some say the chondritic
> > parts are remainders of the impactor, others that
> the melt was pressed by
> > impact into the chondritic host material, again
> others see many different
> > impact events...depending, what is to be found in
> the very location.
> >
> >
> > Take a look on this slice from Erich Haiderer of
> famous Rio Limay:
> > http://www.meteorite.com/Erichs/riolimay.jpg
> > Look at the upper part. Do you see the clasts?
> >
> > And voila Dho 010:
> > http://www.star-bits.com/dhofar010.htm
> > (didn't found in that hurry pictures of larger
> slices)
> >
> > Cat Mountain I hadn't in my hands yet,
> > but perhaps you'll find also some nice chondrules
> left in the single
> rounded
> > fragment in your specimen:
> >
>
http://www.meteorites.com.au/odds&ends/catmountain.jpg
> >
> > Ah - I see, you listed some samples on your hp, a
> little IMB-page:
> >
>
http://www.meteorites.com.au/odds&ends/impactmelts.html
> >
> > Look there Matteo, the melt hasn't to be metal
> free, see NWA 2085
> > and if I think of El Kachla-NWA 722, the dynamic
> looking distribution of
> the
> > metal in the molten parts is the main reason, why
> that IMB is so
> > spectacular!
> > http://www.meteorite.fr/en/forsale/IMB.htm
> > More interesting would be, Matteo, whether you can
> find chondrules in that
> > parts supposed to be a melt.
> >
> > Hence, if I look at Carstens fullslice of Capot
> Rey on his pages,
> > http://www.gi-po.de/main_eng.htm ,
> > I really can't follow you Jeff, why you exclude
> with such a certainity
> that
> > it can't be an IMB?
> > Is it because the slice recently shown by Carsten
> has such a small
> surface,
> > that you guess that the melt streams are only some
> somewhat larger shock
> > veins?
> > (Cahaaarsten, please send a detailled picture of
> the full slice from your
> > hp, make also some close ups. We want to see the
> stuff!)
> > In Dho 010 for example, you find also aereas,
> where the rounded clasts are
> > sitting very close to each other.
> > (O Carsten, are you sick? That cool NWAxxx IMB is
> much to cheap with 5$/g)
> >
> > Anyway, if you're not content with simple
> eyeproving,
> > voila IMCA should enter the stage - we know, how
> difficult it is to find a
> > place, where classification is done in a
> non-biblical time,
> > therefore I'm sure IMCA will help to find a place
> and Carsten will give a
> > nice IMB-Capot-Rey piece to get it examined,
> > if you feel better then.
> > Thrilling, isn't it?
> >
> > Cheerio!
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Kuyken" <info_at_meteorites.com.au>
> > To: "Martin Altmann"
> <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>;
> > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos
> please of the H5
> >
> >
> > > Hi Martin,
> > >
> > > I can certainly see what you are saying but that
> was not really my
> point.
> > My
> > > point is that it is not up to us to 'make-up'
> classifications without
> the
> > > proper science being done. Admittedly, I've only
> seen a few photos of
> the
> > > Caopt Rey pieces and in my opinion the one that
> was just posted by
> Cartsen
> > > is certainly a highly shocked piece but it's not
> an IMB. I think if you
> > > compare them to meteorites like Cat Mountain or
> Mike Farmer's NWA 2085
> you
> > > will see what I mean. That said, it is certainly
> a gorgeous meteorite
> > which
> > > I wouldn't mind having a piece myself! ;-)
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> >
>
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