[meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos please of the H5

From: Martin Altmann <Altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat Sep 24 04:46:34 2005
Message-ID: <003001c5c0e6$016f2740$6389fea9_at_9y6y40j>

Hi again too,

and again I say: Holy IMCA do something for your image and find a place,
where this IMB-Capot-Rey will be examined.
Here in Germany you have to beg the few universities on your knees, that
they accept something, which has chondrules inside and you can wait up to 3
years for a result.
Ask Irving or Bunch, they are fast.
As it's so interesting and to be tangent to the IMCA ethics in the opinion
of some people....
Do some sience and throw in some bucks from the IMCA-dues, that we all get
out the result quickly.

Buckleboo!
Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Kuyken" <info_at_meteorites.com.au>
To: "Martin Altmann" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>;
<meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos please of the H5


> Hello again,
>
> Again, you have missed my point. I am simply saying that the proper
science
> should be done to confirm it as an IMB. No-one is saying it's not a
> beautiful and very striking meteorite but do you dissagree that this
> meteorite should not be properly studied?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Martin Altmann
> To: Jeff Kuyken ; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 6:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos please of the H5
>
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> why it should not be an IMB?
> Maybe you have in mind, if you think to an IMB, only such optically on
first
> glimpse uniformly looking black IMBs like Cat Mountain or el Kachla, as
they
> have only a poor contrast between melt and clasts?
> An IMB has not to have lost all chondritic structures, it hasn't to be
> totally and completely recrystallized.
> On contrary a characteristicum of a IMB is the mixture of molten material
> and unmolten material with chondritic structure. Some say the chondritic
> parts are remainders of the impactor, others that the melt was pressed by
> impact into the chondritic host material, again others see many different
> impact events...depending, what is to be found in the very location.
>
>
> Take a look on this slice from Erich Haiderer of famous Rio Limay:
> http://www.meteorite.com/Erichs/riolimay.jpg
> Look at the upper part. Do you see the clasts?
>
> And voila Dho 010:
> http://www.star-bits.com/dhofar010.htm
> (didn't found in that hurry pictures of larger slices)
>
> Cat Mountain I hadn't in my hands yet,
> but perhaps you'll find also some nice chondrules left in the single
rounded
> fragment in your specimen:
> http://www.meteorites.com.au/odds&ends/catmountain.jpg
>
> Ah - I see, you listed some samples on your hp, a little IMB-page:
> http://www.meteorites.com.au/odds&ends/impactmelts.html
>
> Look there Matteo, the melt hasn't to be metal free, see NWA 2085
> and if I think of El Kachla-NWA 722, the dynamic looking distribution of
the
> metal in the molten parts is the main reason, why that IMB is so
> spectacular!
> http://www.meteorite.fr/en/forsale/IMB.htm
> More interesting would be, Matteo, whether you can find chondrules in that
> parts supposed to be a melt.
>
> Hence, if I look at Carstens fullslice of Capot Rey on his pages,
> http://www.gi-po.de/main_eng.htm ,
> I really can't follow you Jeff, why you exclude with such a certainity
that
> it can't be an IMB?
> Is it because the slice recently shown by Carsten has such a small
surface,
> that you guess that the melt streams are only some somewhat larger shock
> veins?
> (Cahaaarsten, please send a detailled picture of the full slice from your
> hp, make also some close ups. We want to see the stuff!)
> In Dho 010 for example, you find also aereas, where the rounded clasts are
> sitting very close to each other.
> (O Carsten, are you sick? That cool NWAxxx IMB is much to cheap with 5$/g)
>
> Anyway, if you're not content with simple eyeproving,
> voila IMCA should enter the stage - we know, how difficult it is to find a
> place, where classification is done in a non-biblical time,
> therefore I'm sure IMCA will help to find a place and Carsten will give a
> nice IMB-Capot-Rey piece to get it examined,
> if you feel better then.
> Thrilling, isn't it?
>
> Cheerio!
> Martin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Kuyken" <info_at_meteorites.com.au>
> To: "Martin Altmann" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>;
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos please of the H5
>
>
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> > I can certainly see what you are saying but that was not really my
point.
> My
> > point is that it is not up to us to 'make-up' classifications without
the
> > proper science being done. Admittedly, I've only seen a few photos of
the
> > Caopt Rey pieces and in my opinion the one that was just posted by
Cartsen
> > is certainly a highly shocked piece but it's not an IMB. I think if you
> > compare them to meteorites like Cat Mountain or Mike Farmer's NWA 2085
you
> > will see what I mean. That said, it is certainly a gorgeous meteorite
> which
> > I wouldn't mind having a piece myself! ;-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jeff
> >
>
Received on Sat 24 Sep 2005 04:57:33 AM PDT