[meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos please of the H5

From: Martin Altmann <Altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat Sep 24 05:39:44 2005
Message-ID: <004f01c5c0ed$6e3e83a0$6389fea9_at_9y6y40j>

It is, according to that what I read on their hp. and this time you're
acting exemplarily :-)

"It is every IMCA member's responsibility and pleasure to offer help and
assistance to fellow members in order to ensure specimens are genuine"

And if I the "ByLaws"...they are full of phrases, which could be interpreted
in the direction I did.....

Many thanks,
I'll ask Carsten to contact you
and hopefully soon, we have better results, than only speculations....
Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <mcomemeteorite2004_at_yahoo.it>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos please of the H5


> Does not serve the IMCA to seek a laboratory where to
> do the analysis...here in Italy if you want I have the
> laboratory where analyzed my NWA's, send to this a
> piece and you have the analysis.
>
> Matteo
>
>
> --- Martin Altmann <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de> ha
> scritto:
>
> > Hi again too,
> >
> > and again I say: Holy IMCA do something for your
> > image and find a place,
> > where this IMB-Capot-Rey will be examined.
> > Here in Germany you have to beg the few universities
> > on your knees, that
> > they accept something, which has chondrules inside
> > and you can wait up to 3
> > years for a result.
> > Ask Irving or Bunch, they are fast.
> > As it's so interesting and to be tangent to the IMCA
> > ethics in the opinion
> > of some people....
> > Do some sience and throw in some bucks from the
> > IMCA-dues, that we all get
> > out the result quickly.
> >
> > Buckleboo!
> > Martin
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Kuyken" <info_at_meteorites.com.au>
> > To: "Martin Altmann" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>;
> > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 10:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos
> > please of the H5
> >
> >
> > > Hello again,
> > >
> > > Again, you have missed my point. I am simply
> > saying that the proper
> > science
> > > should be done to confirm it as an IMB. No-one is
> > saying it's not a
> > > beautiful and very striking meteorite but do you
> > dissagree that this
> > > meteorite should not be properly studied?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Martin Altmann
> > > To: Jeff Kuyken ;
> > meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 6:17 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos
> > please of the H5
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Jeff,
> > >
> > > why it should not be an IMB?
> > > Maybe you have in mind, if you think to an IMB,
> > only such optically on
> > first
> > > glimpse uniformly looking black IMBs like Cat
> > Mountain or el Kachla, as
> > they
> > > have only a poor contrast between melt and clasts?
> > > An IMB has not to have lost all chondritic
> > structures, it hasn't to be
> > > totally and completely recrystallized.
> > > On contrary a characteristicum of a IMB is the
> > mixture of molten material
> > > and unmolten material with chondritic structure.
> > Some say the chondritic
> > > parts are remainders of the impactor, others that
> > the melt was pressed by
> > > impact into the chondritic host material, again
> > others see many different
> > > impact events...depending, what is to be found in
> > the very location.
> > >
> > >
> > > Take a look on this slice from Erich Haiderer of
> > famous Rio Limay:
> > > http://www.meteorite.com/Erichs/riolimay.jpg
> > > Look at the upper part. Do you see the clasts?
> > >
> > > And voila Dho 010:
> > > http://www.star-bits.com/dhofar010.htm
> > > (didn't found in that hurry pictures of larger
> > slices)
> > >
> > > Cat Mountain I hadn't in my hands yet,
> > > but perhaps you'll find also some nice chondrules
> > left in the single
> > rounded
> > > fragment in your specimen:
> > >
> >
> http://www.meteorites.com.au/odds&ends/catmountain.jpg
> > >
> > > Ah - I see, you listed some samples on your hp, a
> > little IMB-page:
> > >
> >
> http://www.meteorites.com.au/odds&ends/impactmelts.html
> > >
> > > Look there Matteo, the melt hasn't to be metal
> > free, see NWA 2085
> > > and if I think of El Kachla-NWA 722, the dynamic
> > looking distribution of
> > the
> > > metal in the molten parts is the main reason, why
> > that IMB is so
> > > spectacular!
> > > http://www.meteorite.fr/en/forsale/IMB.htm
> > > More interesting would be, Matteo, whether you can
> > find chondrules in that
> > > parts supposed to be a melt.
> > >
> > > Hence, if I look at Carstens fullslice of Capot
> > Rey on his pages,
> > > http://www.gi-po.de/main_eng.htm ,
> > > I really can't follow you Jeff, why you exclude
> > with such a certainity
> > that
> > > it can't be an IMB?
> > > Is it because the slice recently shown by Carsten
> > has such a small
> > surface,
> > > that you guess that the melt streams are only some
> > somewhat larger shock
> > > veins?
> > > (Cahaaarsten, please send a detailled picture of
> > the full slice from your
> > > hp, make also some close ups. We want to see the
> > stuff!)
> > > In Dho 010 for example, you find also aereas,
> > where the rounded clasts are
> > > sitting very close to each other.
> > > (O Carsten, are you sick? That cool NWAxxx IMB is
> > much to cheap with 5$/g)
> > >
> > > Anyway, if you're not content with simple
> > eyeproving,
> > > voila IMCA should enter the stage - we know, how
> > difficult it is to find a
> > > place, where classification is done in a
> > non-biblical time,
> > > therefore I'm sure IMCA will help to find a place
> > and Carsten will give a
> > > nice IMB-Capot-Rey piece to get it examined,
> > > if you feel better then.
> > > Thrilling, isn't it?
> > >
> > > Cheerio!
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeff Kuyken" <info_at_meteorites.com.au>
> > > To: "Martin Altmann"
> > <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>;
> > > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:57 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos
> > please of the H5
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Martin,
> > > >
> > > > I can certainly see what you are saying but that
> > was not really my
> > point.
> > > My
> > > > point is that it is not up to us to 'make-up'
> > classifications without
> > the
> > > > proper science being done. Admittedly, I've only
> > seen a few photos of
> > the
> > > > Caopt Rey pieces and in my opinion the one that
> > was just posted by
> > Cartsen
> > > > is certainly a highly shocked piece but it's not
> > an IMB. I think if you
> > > > compare them to meteorites like Cat Mountain or
> > Mike Farmer's NWA 2085
> > you
> > > > will see what I mean. That said, it is certainly
> > a gorgeous meteorite
> > > which
> > > > I wouldn't mind having a piece myself! ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > >
> >
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