[meteorite-list] A statement in regards to NWA 3133

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Jun 2 18:10:51 2005
Message-ID: <003501c567c0$04cc3240$6401a8c0_at_c1720188a>

Dear John and List,

I have no debate in regards to what you said about the NSF. I am sure the
institution funded by the NSF would not like their work taken out of context
just to improve a dealer's sells on an unofficial pairing. We funded the
initial studies and copyrighted our descriptions so they should never be
used without our permission. When a collaborating laboratory requests a
sample of NWA 3133 you can bet they want to make sure they are working with
the same material that was studied not an improperly or unofficially defined
pairing. My main statement is dealers should learn how to describe their
own pieces and not depend on other dealer's descriptions.

Kind Regards,

------------------------------------
Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
raremeteorites_at_comcast.net


----- Original Message -----
From: "Arizona Skies Meteorites" <johnbirdsell_at_yahoo.com>
To: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>;
<meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A statement in regards to NWA 3133


> Adam hupe stated:
>
> "Data from an abstract used to describe NWA 3133, not
> any other meteorite, is
> being used in reference to other [paired] meteorites."
>
> Adam -Scientists always make reference to studies
> published by other scientists in their own writings.
> This is referred to "citation" of the studies.
> Frequently scientists will actually make a direct
> quotation of another scientist's published or
> unpublished study. When a reference or quotation is
> made regarding another study, the scientist will
> parenthetically give the name of the author of the
> study along with the date, and will give the entire
> reference in the bibliography. For example (Smith &
> Jones, 2004). This is a normal, accepted and
> encouraged part of the scientific process. No
> permission is required to quote other peoples
> published studies.
>
>
> Adam went on to state:
>
> "NWA 3133 is still under intense study, the
> NSF has spent a great
> deal of funds in the pursuit of the testing of NWA
> 3133 and for someone to
> borrow this work to describe another stone is wrong."
>
> Actually, any work paid for by NSF is paid for by the
> tax payers of this country. NSF has a strict policy
> that all research paid for by the NSF is to be shared
> (at no cost) with the scientific community or anyone
> that requests the data from any published study. This
> is an obvious requirement as NSF studies are funded by
> the public. The data that you mention is not "private"
> property, and it is meant to be shared. The whole
> point of NSF is to fund studies that will provide data
> that can be used by others. In other words anyone can
> use any published study about any meteorite for any
> purpose that he or she wishes provided they cite the
> source.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> -John
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I just want to make a few points clear since NWA
> > 3133, one of our meteorites
> > was brought up again. We spend a lot of time and
> > money researching our
> > material and all of our descriptions and images are
> > copyrighted. We checked
> > with ebay and they honor all copyright laws and in
> > some cases have already
> > enforced them our behalf. As long as somebody asks
> > permission we usually do
> > not have a problem sharing our work.
> >
> > This being said, Rob did check with us in regards to
> > his material being
> > paired with NWA 3133. I stated, as long as some
> > reputable institution
> > claims a pairing I have no problem at all with a
> > dealer making this claim.
> > My problem is that there is still disagreement in
> > regards to NWA 1839 being
> > paired to NWA 3133. The original classifying
> > institution, the University of
> > Washington has not made any pairing statements for
> > consideration by the
> > NomCom. NWA 3133 is still under intense study, the
> > NSF has spent a great
> > deal of funds in the pursuit of the testing of NWA
> > 3133 and for someone to
> > borrow this work to describe another stone is wrong.
> > In the latest Bulletin
> > the descriptions are completely different from one
> > another so there is even
> > more confusion.
> >
> > It was said that NWA 3133 was originally called an
> > L7, this statement is
> > incorrect. It has always been classified as a PAC
> > with affinities to the
> > CV chondrites as can be seen in the latest
> > Meteoritical Bulletin.
> >
> > Data from an abstract used to describe NWA 3133, not
> > any other meteorite, is
> > being used in reference to other meteorites. Some
> > dealers' comments came
> > right from our ebay adds which are all copyrighted.
> > We do not copy any
> > other dealer's material and would appreciate the
> > same consideration. I
> > personally spend several long distance hours on the
> > phone with scientists
> > and read as much as I can before presenting
> > anything. That way, our
> > descriptions are as accurate as possible. I spend a
> > great deal of time
> > learning everything I can about any new meteorite we
> > release and would
> > suggest the same for anybody else who deals.
> >
> > Let's all have some consideration for one another's
> > hard work in the future.
> >
> > Take Care,
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> > Adam Hupe
> > The Hupe Collection
> > Team LunarRock
> > IMCA 2185
> > raremeteorites_at_comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rob Wesel" <nakhladog_at_comcast.net>
> > To: "Bob King" <lakewind_at_infionline.net>;
> > <Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rob Wesel's NWA 2653 -
> > cool!
> >
> >
> > > Thanks Bob-
> > >
> > > The photos just don't do them justice. A polish of
> > this caliber is truly
> > > rare, Tom is to be commended for his work in both
> > preparation and
> > > microphotography. Amazing that in images on the
> > CD-ROM taken at 1800x one
> > > can not find any polishing marks. He is a master.
> > Still some slices of
> > this
> > > rare material available, and at the current price
> > there isn't any
> > recouping
> > > the cut/polishing losses.
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/catalog/nwa2653.htm
> > >
> > > Rob Wesel
> > > http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
> > > ------------------
> > > We are the music makers...
> > > and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> > > Willy Wonka, 1971
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bob King" <lakewind_at_infionline.net>
> > > To: <Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:50 AM
> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rob Wesel's NWA 2653 -
> > cool!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > > After the discussion on the list regarding the
> > classification of NWA
> > 2653
> > > > (primitive ungrouped achondrite) I thought I'd
> > just share my
> > > > observations of a small slice I purchased from
> > Rob. The polish is so
> > > > mirror perfect that under the scope at 10x and
> > 30x I was able to look
> > > > 'deep' into the matrix of glass-like,
> > interlocked pale orange and red
> > > > crystals. Almost like looking through very
> > transparent water into the
> > > > deeps. The crystalline appearance reminded me
> > right away of a ureilite.
> > > > Amazing networks of narrow black veins (shock?)
> > threaded through
> > > > some of the crystal fields and small, metal
> > inclusions were scattered
> > > > throughout. No chondrules or remnants were seen.
> > This was one
> > > > fascinating rock that made for an evening's
> > microscopic adventure. A
> > > > CD of 48 high quality images was included.
> > Looking at the photos was
> > > > like walking through a gallery of modern art.
> > Very nice!
> > > > Bob
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