[meteorite-list] A statement in regards to NWA 3133

From: Arizona Skies Meteorites <johnbirdsell_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Jun 2 20:01:03 2005
Message-ID: <20050603000100.19189.qmail_at_web51502.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Adam....If your description was used in a
scientific journal or published article then anyone
can use it as long as they cite the proper source-that
is just the way scientific literature is used. If, on
the other hand, it was a prosaic description written
by you and used in your ebay ad then you have a right
to complain about someone else copying your wording.
This has happened to us also and can be a bit
annoying.


Cheers


-John



--- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:

> Dear John and List,
>
> I have no debate in regards to what you said about
> the NSF. I am sure the
> institution funded by the NSF would not like their
> work taken out of context
> just to improve a dealer's sells on an unofficial
> pairing. We funded the
> initial studies and copyrighted our descriptions so
> they should never be
> used without our permission. When a collaborating
> laboratory requests a
> sample of NWA 3133 you can bet they want to make
> sure they are working with
> the same material that was studied not an improperly
> or unofficially defined
> pairing. My main statement is dealers should learn
> how to describe their
> own pieces and not depend on other dealer's
> descriptions.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> ------------------------------------
> Adam Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> Team LunarRock
> IMCA 2185
> raremeteorites_at_comcast.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arizona Skies Meteorites"
> <johnbirdsell_at_yahoo.com>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>;
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A statement in regards
> to NWA 3133
>
>
> > Adam hupe stated:
> >
> > "Data from an abstract used to describe NWA 3133,
> not
> > any other meteorite, is
> > being used in reference to other [paired]
> meteorites."
> >
> > Adam -Scientists always make reference to studies
> > published by other scientists in their own
> writings.
> > This is referred to "citation" of the studies.
> > Frequently scientists will actually make a direct
> > quotation of another scientist's published or
> > unpublished study. When a reference or quotation
> is
> > made regarding another study, the scientist will
> > parenthetically give the name of the author of the
> > study along with the date, and will give the
> entire
> > reference in the bibliography. For example (Smith
> &
> > Jones, 2004). This is a normal, accepted and
> > encouraged part of the scientific process. No
> > permission is required to quote other peoples
> > published studies.
> >
> >
> > Adam went on to state:
> >
> > "NWA 3133 is still under intense study, the
> > NSF has spent a great
> > deal of funds in the pursuit of the testing of NWA
> > 3133 and for someone to
> > borrow this work to describe another stone is
> wrong."
> >
> > Actually, any work paid for by NSF is paid for by
> the
> > tax payers of this country. NSF has a strict
> policy
> > that all research paid for by the NSF is to be
> shared
> > (at no cost) with the scientific community or
> anyone
> > that requests the data from any published study.
> This
> > is an obvious requirement as NSF studies are
> funded by
> > the public. The data that you mention is not
> "private"
> > property, and it is meant to be shared. The whole
> > point of NSF is to fund studies that will provide
> data
> > that can be used by others. In other words anyone
> can
> > use any published study about any meteorite for
> any
> > purpose that he or she wishes provided they cite
> the
> > source.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > -John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I just want to make a few points clear since NWA
> > > 3133, one of our meteorites
> > > was brought up again. We spend a lot of time and
> > > money researching our
> > > material and all of our descriptions and images
> are
> > > copyrighted. We checked
> > > with ebay and they honor all copyright laws and
> in
> > > some cases have already
> > > enforced them our behalf. As long as somebody
> asks
> > > permission we usually do
> > > not have a problem sharing our work.
> > >
> > > This being said, Rob did check with us in
> regards to
> > > his material being
> > > paired with NWA 3133. I stated, as long as
> some
> > > reputable institution
> > > claims a pairing I have no problem at all with a
> > > dealer making this claim.
> > > My problem is that there is still disagreement
> in
> > > regards to NWA 1839 being
> > > paired to NWA 3133. The original classifying
> > > institution, the University of
> > > Washington has not made any pairing statements
> for
> > > consideration by the
> > > NomCom. NWA 3133 is still under intense study,
> the
> > > NSF has spent a great
> > > deal of funds in the pursuit of the testing of
> NWA
> > > 3133 and for someone to
> > > borrow this work to describe another stone is
> wrong.
> > > In the latest Bulletin
> > > the descriptions are completely different from
> one
> > > another so there is even
> > > more confusion.
> > >
> > > It was said that NWA 3133 was originally called
> an
> > > L7, this statement is
> > > incorrect. It has always been classified as a
> PAC
> > > with affinities to the
> > > CV chondrites as can be seen in the latest
> > > Meteoritical Bulletin.
> > >
> > > Data from an abstract used to describe NWA 3133,
> not
> > > any other meteorite, is
> > > being used in reference to other meteorites.
> Some
> > > dealers' comments came
> > > right from our ebay adds which are all
> copyrighted.
> > > We do not copy any
> > > other dealer's material and would appreciate the
> > > same consideration. I
> > > personally spend several long distance hours on
> the
> > > phone with scientists
> > > and read as much as I can before presenting
> > > anything. That way, our
> > > descriptions are as accurate as possible. I
> spend a
> > > great deal of time
> > > learning everything I can about any new
> meteorite we
> > > release and would
> > > suggest the same for anybody else who deals.
> > >
> > > Let's all have some consideration for one
> another's
> > > hard work in the future.
>
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Arizona Skies Meteorites
Received on Thu 02 Jun 2005 08:01:00 PM PDT