[meteorite-list] Mutha Stone

From: Arizona Skies Meteorites <johnbirdsell_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat Dec 31 14:18:14 2005
Message-ID: <20051231191811.76227.qmail_at_web51510.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes Adam, this is a stupid thread that you started and
a nice way to start the New Year. It seems that Dean
Bessy has figured you out though and so have we. Once
again you make unsubstantiated, apparently false
claims that you then get caught at, and can't back up.
Just to set the facts straight, we asked you to
provide the list with a copy of the supposed new
"meteorite" law. We did not ask you to translate it
because we knew you wouldn't be able to, and we
wouldn't trust your translation anyway. We can get it
translated for ourselves. Why don't you just ask your
"most respectable" source to send us a copy, so that
we can see it for ourselves? Surely, that would not be
too difficult. As for your b.s. about us "avoiding"
the so called issue, we answered your first question
in our first email. We answered your second even more
ridiculous question in our second email. Your are the
only one that seems to be consistently evasive. As for
your little qwip at Dean, it would appear that Dean
Bessy is far more knowledgable on this topic than you,
so I certainly wouldn't be making any snide remarks
about his intelligence if I were in your position.

This is not the first time that you have tried to pull
this type of crap with other dealer's meteorites, and
it is getting old. Your motives are quite transparent.
>From now on Adam if you can't back up your ridiculous
claims then I wouldn't post them in the first place.


Thanks



-John


--- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:

> John and List,
>
> I have no interest whatsoever in the Fukang
> pallasite. I do not and will not
> carry natural history items from China because while
> inquiring about them I
> was told by the most respectable sources that they
> are now illegal to
> export. If you are asking if I took the time to
> translate Chinese law, the
> answer is no. In my case, this would be a complete
> waste of time since I
> trust my sources both in the scientific and academic
> communities who now
> also have no interest in these items.
>
> I do not understand what Sikhote Alin has to do with
> any of this. I only
> market the finest examples I can find and Russia is
> not part of UNESCO group
> as far as I know. Trying to redirect our attention
> to another subject is a
> transparent way of avoiding the issue. I refuse to
> engage any more in this
> stupid string because, again, I never had and never
> will have any interest
> whatsoever in Fukang. Everybody seems to be taking
> it personally and
> getting angry about it for some reason. I guess I am
> the last of many to get
> caught in this Fukang spider web. It is up to the
> owners show legal export
> papers, not claim something is iron ore to get it
> out of a country.
>
> Enough said by me, if somebody else wants to
> continue this, you've got the
> green light,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arizona Skies Meteorites"
> <johnbirdsell_at_yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mutha Stone
>
>
> > Hi Adam. It seems you evaded the majority of the
> > questions that were put to you. If you do have
> some
> > actual evidence to back up your claim that there
> is
> > some new Chinese "meteorite" law, then please
> share it
> > with us and the rest of the list members. We asked
> you
> > about the Sikhotes that you are selling. Aren't
> you
> > interested in the export laws governing them?
> >
> > As for why fukang is supposedly "not being
> > promoted", what are you talking about? Maybe
> you're
> > Rip Van Hupe and have been asleep for the last
> hundred
> > years or so, but just to bring you up to speed, we
> > purchased a small amount which we have been
> selling on
> > ebay and our website for over a year. We also have
> > made a number of announcements to this list
> > advertizing it, and I would think that you might
> have
> > seen them? As I recall, a very large slice was
> > recently offer by a major auction house,
> Butterfields,
> > did you miss out on that? Perhaps you missed out
> on
> > the fact that it was being sold all over the World
> at
> > all of the major shows including Tucson, Denver,
> > Munich and Tokyo? It has been said that the
> majority
> > of it is not going to be for sale-that was another
> > meteorite list posting, miss that one? We don't
> know
> > the owners of the mass that is for sale, but I'm
> > guessing that they may not want to sell it on
> ebay,
> > and may have their sights set on a more affluent
> > clientele. For all I know, they may be taking out
> full
> > page ads in Conde nast, have you checked it out
> lately
> > Adam? Personally, if it were me, I'd hire Geoff
> > Notkin, as he certainly did a great job with
> Brenham.
> >
> >
> > Now Adam can you please back up your claim or
> shall we
> > just drop it and go back to sleep?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > -John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > John and List Members,
> > >
> > > First of all, this is the very first time I have
> > > talked about Fukang
> > > publicly. If you read the string, you will see
> that
> > > another List member
> > > brought it up first. I have no interest at all
> in
> > > Chinese meteorites. I do
> > > not own a single meteorite from China nor have I
> > > ever sold one. My interest
> > > lies in legal fossils, minerals and meteorites.
> I
> > > have a contract with a
> > > startup company whom asks questions first and
> then
> > > purchases later. After
> > > investigating Chinese natural history goods we
> > > decided to stay away from
> > > them because, for the most part, they are
> considered
> > > black market (illegal)
> > > by legitimate concerns who will not touch them.
> > > What good is a product that
> > > is considered illegal by institutions and
> museums?
> > >
> > > You may want to tell the rest of the List why
> this
> > > is so. Why is it that the
> > > world's largest pallasite, supposedly as
> beautiful
> > > as Esquel is not being
> > > highly promoted by anybody who has any of it?
> Could
> > > it be a problem?
> > >
> > > The curious want to know,
> > >
> > > Adam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Arizona Skies Meteorites"
> > > <johnbirdsell_at_yahoo.com>
> > > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:35 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mutha Stone
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Adam, that is an interesting question. It
> is
> > > > interesting because Chinese meteorites have
> been
> > > > exported from China for decades if not
> hundreds of
> > > > years. Chinese meteorites have been at all of
> the
> > > gem
> > > > and mineral shows across this country for
> decades.
> > > In
> > > > fact, I would go as far as to bet that every
> list
> > > > member has a Chinese meteorite or two in their
> > > > collection. How many do you have in your
> > > collection
> > > > Adam? I'm curious as to the motive for your
> sudden
> > > > "interest" in Chinese meteorites. The
> information
> > > that
> > > > we have received from reliable sources in
> China
>
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Received on Sat 31 Dec 2005 02:18:11 PM PST