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From: McomeMeteorite Meteorite <meteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri Nov 5 10:49:12 2004
Message-ID: <BAY2-F164YFM8De4wk2000064e1_at_hotmail.com>

Have speack the person in first put a meteorite for $75 one ebay and if no
go sold put the same for $0.99$ Start bid....nice take in turn for the
buyers

Matteo

>From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
>To: "McomeMeteorite Meteorite"
><meteorites_at_hotmail.com>,<rendelius@rpgdot.com>,<Altmann@Meteorite-Martin.de>
>CC: <Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices
>Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:14:39 -0700
>
>I thought you were the one always whining about high prices?
>Now you whine that they are too low.
>Matteo, I suggest medicine and a psychiatrist..
>----- Original Message ----- From: "McomeMeteorite Meteorite"
><meteorites_at_hotmail.com>
>To: <rendelius_at_rpgdot.com>; <Altmann@Meteorite-Martin.de>
>Cc: <Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:39 PM
>Subject: RE: AW: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices
>
>
>>oh yes....It experiences to sell a lunar meteorite for $5000/gr. now. ....
>>minimum laugh you behind seen that someone quite thought to put them to
>>$200 - 500/gr. on ebay and now the luanrs are known with that price now.
>>
>>
>>>From: "Bernhard Rems" <rendelius_at_rpgdot.com>
>>>To: "'Martin Altmann'" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>
>>>CC: Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
>>>Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices
>>>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:42:24 +0100
>>>
>>>Martin, I will always repeat my point: :-)
>>>
>>>Most people DO NOT KNOW HOW TO SELL. To sell something on ebay is an
>>>art. If someone sells a rumuruti with one sentence, bad layout and an
>>>ugly photo - well, what would you expect?
>>>
>>>This lack of understanding for the basic principles of selling are as
>>>much responsible for the cheap prices as ebay or the large amount of
>>>material.
>>>
>>>Bernhard
>>>
>>>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>>Von: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
>>>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
>>>Martin Altmann
>>>Gesendet: Donnerstag, 04. November 2004 18:33
>>>An: J?rn Koblitz; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
>>>Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices
>>>
>>>Objection:
>>>a) Howardite sold after Denver in US-ebay at 6.5$/g
>>>b) Lunaite sold in summer on US-ebay in small slices at 200$/g and 500$
>>>for
>>>mare basalt.
>>>c) Cumulate eucrite in US-ebay at 1.5-2$/g
>>>d) Ureilite frequently offered at 25$/g there
>>>e) Rumurutis in german ebay (ignorance, hihi) 1.7$/g
>>>not to mention the prices one may get on the shows from the Moroccain
>>>dealers.
>>>
>>>I've not the impression, that the rare types are still high priced at
>>>the
>>>moment.
>>>
>>>f) Finally for most Moroccains meteorites are simple goods like minerals
>>>and
>>>fossils.
>>>They want to sell them, they make their livings from their sales.
>>>Thus why should they keep them in the back rooms?
>>>Did they kept the trilobites there, when those crashed in price? (two
>>>fossil
>>>collectors told me, that the prices for them years ago were much
>>>higher).
>>>If they would have planned and calculated as supposed, they never would
>>>have
>>>released so large amounts of rare material before.
>>>
>>>My impressions.
>>>Martin
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "J?rn Koblitz" <koblitz_at_microfab.de>
>>>To: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com>; "Michael Farmer"
>>><meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
>>>Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>>>Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:16 PM
>>>Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices
>>>
>>>
>>>Certainly, there are many more ordinary chondrites (OCs) from the hot
>>>desert
>>>and rare types like achondrite probably make up just one or two percent
>>>of
>>>it...
>>>
>>>...but, considering the fairly high prices for the rare types and the
>>>limited spending capacity of this market segment (collectors as well as
>>>museums/research institutes), my impression is, that OCs are easily sold
>>>in
>>>"tons" at price levels of 50 to 100$/kg, wereas the rare stuff is being
>>>sold
>>>on a gram or even milligram scale.
>>>
>>>Wouldn't it take a very long time, to get all the howardites, polymict
>>>eucrites, rumurutiites, martian meteorites (considering alone the TKWs
>>>of
>>>DaG 476 or SaU 005 and pairings) hiding in the back rooms of Moroccan
>>>and
>>>non-Moroccan dealers?
>>>
>>>I assume, that the prices for OCs - especially those with nice shapes or
>>>fairly unweathered interior - will rise soon, whereas most of the rare
>>>types
>>>will stay at high level or will even decline.
>>>
>>>Any objections?
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>J?rn
>>>
>>> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>> > Von: Greg Hupe [mailto:gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com]
>>> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. November 2004 18:44
>>> > An: Michael Farmer
>>> > Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
>>> > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi Mike,
>>> >
>>> > I concur! The gold rush is already showing signs of ending.
>>> > The Moroccans
>>> > are pulling out their "good" material and acting in a
>>> > feverish, money lust,
>>> > frenzy to get the last buck from those who deal there.
>>> >
>>> > Greg
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
>>> > To: "Martin Altmann" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>; "MARK BOSTICK"
>>> > <thebigcollector_at_msn.com>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>>> > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 10:27 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > On two expeditions in Oman, we found over 100 meteorites
>>> > before finding my
>>> > > first achondrite, a rare type of Ureilite.
>>> > > Achondrites are rare, the flood from Morocco will soon end.
>>> > > Mike Farmer
>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > > From: "Martin Altmann" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>
>>> > > To: "MARK BOSTICK" <thebigcollector_at_msn.com>;
>>> > > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:19 AM
>>> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >> Hiho Mark,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> the region does not make the difference, the finders do!
>>> > >>
>>> > >> In Antarctica it's the common process, to number each
>>> > stone seperately -
>>> > >> take a look at the Bulletins, there you'll find rare
>>> > types, found in the
>>> > >> same place on the same day with different numbers.
>>> > >> Sahara in general is different, in Oman never were so much
>>> > hunters around
>>> > >> as
>>> > >> in Libya and the Oman stuff does not end up in Morocco.
>>> > >> And the teams in Oman give always all their finds from one
>>> > aerea as a
>>> > >> bunch
>>> > >> in classification, most in the same place. So different
>>> > conditions as
>>> > >> with
>>> > >> the NWA-stuff.
>>> > >> Meanwhile a beginning collector must have the impression, that a
>>> > >> howardite,
>>> > >> a mesosiderite, a CV3 or a olivine diogenite must be
>>> > something extremely
>>> > >> common, as always when a new one is coming out, in the
>>> > months to follow,
>>> > >> appears a dozen numbers of the same material.
>>> > >> But ask f.e. Afanasjev or Haberer how many ordinary
>>> > chondrites you have
>>> > >> to
>>> > >> hunt down, until you'll find an achondrite! Make some
>>> > stats NWA versus
>>> > >> Dho,
>>> > >> with the latter I suppose you will get different ratios of
>>> > rare types to
>>> > >> common ones, if you count the numbers as own finds.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> And of course many of the OCs from Oman are similar
>>> > looking as in most
>>> > >> cases, they ae very weathered, W3-4. But take a look in
>>> > the lists from
>>> > >> the
>>> > >> Bulletins, where you can see from the date of find and the
>>> > coordinates,
>>> > >> that
>>> > >> mostly a large series of subsequent numbers were found on
>>> > the same trip,
>>> > >> there you have a wide variety of Ls and Hs with different
>>> > Fa and Fs
>>> > >> values
>>> > >> and weathering degrees.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> So I think, if it costs the same, Stevey is not wrong to
>>> > prefer Dho
>>> > >> instead
>>> > >> of NWA, as in my eyes, they have a higher collector's
>>> > value (and I'm
>>> > >> really
>>> > >> no fan of desert chondrites, I'm sooo conservative and
>>> > collect names).
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Cheeers!
>>> > >> Martin
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> > >> From: "MARK BOSTICK" <thebigcollector_at_msn.com>
>>> > >> To: <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>;
>>> > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>>> > >> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:38 PM
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> Hello Martin,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> I do not keep a list of paired meteorites or possible
>>> > paired meteorites.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Dhofar is no different then DaG or other like regions. I
>>> > have traded
>>> > >>> more
>>> > >>> in DaG so I could tell you some pairs in it. I have seen
>>> > a few tables
>>> > >>> of
>>> > >>> Dhofar's where you have several H5 or L6's that look a lot alike.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> There have been pairing studies done in DaG, Roosvelt County and
>>> > >>> Anartica.
>>> > >>> In all of these high collection places pairings were
>>> > found to be pretty
>>> > >>> common. Which I do not see as any problem and that was
>>> > not a negative
>>> > >>> Dhofar comment. Anyone thinking it was negative is free
>>> > to send me all
>>> > >>> their Roosevelt County meteorites. Should a pairing
>>> > study be made, I
>>> > >> think
>>> > >>> the numbers say you will find Dhofar no different then
>>> > other areas of
>>> > >>> meteorite concentration.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> The naming rules in all these areas say pretty much,
>>> > unless it fits
>>> > >>> together, it gets a different name...or number as it is.
>>> > We seem to
>>> > >>> have
>>> > >>> changed this a little to, found within a few feet, as
>>> > many of the DaG's
>>> > >> with
>>> > >>> the same number do not fit together.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> On my website you will find I have many Dhofar, DaG and other like
>>> > >> numbered
>>> > >>> meteorites. However, if you check the gallery, you will see in my
>>> > >> personal
>>> > >>> collection, I avoid like classification meteorites from
>>> > regions of high
>>> > >>> meteorite concentration.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> http://www.meteoritearticles.com/photogallerymeteorites.html
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Mark Bostick
>>> > >>> www.meteoritearticles.com
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
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