AW: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices

From: Michael Farmer <meteoritehunter_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri Nov 5 10:14:43 2004
Message-ID: <003001c4c34a$2e28f990$0200a8c0_at_S0031628003>

I thought you were the one always whining about high prices?
Now you whine that they are too low.
Matteo, I suggest medicine and a psychiatrist..
----- Original Message -----
From: "McomeMeteorite Meteorite" <meteorites_at_hotmail.com>
To: <rendelius_at_rpgdot.com>; <Altmann@Meteorite-Martin.de>
Cc: <Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:39 PM
Subject: RE: AW: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices


> oh yes....It experiences to sell a lunar meteorite for $5000/gr. now. ....
> minimum laugh you behind seen that someone quite thought to put them to
> $200 - 500/gr. on ebay and now the luanrs are known with that price now.
>
>
>>From: "Bernhard Rems" <rendelius_at_rpgdot.com>
>>To: "'Martin Altmann'" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>
>>CC: Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
>>Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices
>>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:42:24 +0100
>>
>>Martin, I will always repeat my point: :-)
>>
>>Most people DO NOT KNOW HOW TO SELL. To sell something on ebay is an
>>art. If someone sells a rumuruti with one sentence, bad layout and an
>>ugly photo - well, what would you expect?
>>
>>This lack of understanding for the basic principles of selling are as
>>much responsible for the cheap prices as ebay or the large amount of
>>material.
>>
>>Bernhard
>>
>>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>Von: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
>>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
>>Martin Altmann
>>Gesendet: Donnerstag, 04. November 2004 18:33
>>An: J?rn Koblitz; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
>>Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices
>>
>>Objection:
>>a) Howardite sold after Denver in US-ebay at 6.5$/g
>>b) Lunaite sold in summer on US-ebay in small slices at 200$/g and 500$
>>for
>>mare basalt.
>>c) Cumulate eucrite in US-ebay at 1.5-2$/g
>>d) Ureilite frequently offered at 25$/g there
>>e) Rumurutis in german ebay (ignorance, hihi) 1.7$/g
>>not to mention the prices one may get on the shows from the Moroccain
>>dealers.
>>
>>I've not the impression, that the rare types are still high priced at
>>the
>>moment.
>>
>>f) Finally for most Moroccains meteorites are simple goods like minerals
>>and
>>fossils.
>>They want to sell them, they make their livings from their sales.
>>Thus why should they keep them in the back rooms?
>>Did they kept the trilobites there, when those crashed in price? (two
>>fossil
>>collectors told me, that the prices for them years ago were much
>>higher).
>>If they would have planned and calculated as supposed, they never would
>>have
>>released so large amounts of rare material before.
>>
>>My impressions.
>>Martin
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "J?rn Koblitz" <koblitz_at_microfab.de>
>>To: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com>; "Michael Farmer"
>><meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
>>Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:16 PM
>>Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices
>>
>>
>>Certainly, there are many more ordinary chondrites (OCs) from the hot
>>desert
>>and rare types like achondrite probably make up just one or two percent
>>of
>>it...
>>
>>...but, considering the fairly high prices for the rare types and the
>>limited spending capacity of this market segment (collectors as well as
>>museums/research institutes), my impression is, that OCs are easily sold
>>in
>>"tons" at price levels of 50 to 100$/kg, wereas the rare stuff is being
>>sold
>>on a gram or even milligram scale.
>>
>>Wouldn't it take a very long time, to get all the howardites, polymict
>>eucrites, rumurutiites, martian meteorites (considering alone the TKWs
>>of
>>DaG 476 or SaU 005 and pairings) hiding in the back rooms of Moroccan
>>and
>>non-Moroccan dealers?
>>
>>I assume, that the prices for OCs - especially those with nice shapes or
>>fairly unweathered interior - will rise soon, whereas most of the rare
>>types
>>will stay at high level or will even decline.
>>
>>Any objections?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>J?rn
>>
>> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> > Von: Greg Hupe [mailto:gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com]
>> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. November 2004 18:44
>> > An: Michael Farmer
>> > Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
>> > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Mike,
>> >
>> > I concur! The gold rush is already showing signs of ending.
>> > The Moroccans
>> > are pulling out their "good" material and acting in a
>> > feverish, money lust,
>> > frenzy to get the last buck from those who deal there.
>> >
>> > Greg
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
>> > To: "Martin Altmann" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>; "MARK BOSTICK"
>> > <thebigcollector_at_msn.com>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 10:27 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites
>> >
>> >
>> > > On two expeditions in Oman, we found over 100 meteorites
>> > before finding my
>> > > first achondrite, a rare type of Ureilite.
>> > > Achondrites are rare, the flood from Morocco will soon end.
>> > > Mike Farmer
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Martin Altmann" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>
>> > > To: "MARK BOSTICK" <thebigcollector_at_msn.com>;
>> > > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:19 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Hiho Mark,
>> > >>
>> > >> the region does not make the difference, the finders do!
>> > >>
>> > >> In Antarctica it's the common process, to number each
>> > stone seperately -
>> > >> take a look at the Bulletins, there you'll find rare
>> > types, found in the
>> > >> same place on the same day with different numbers.
>> > >> Sahara in general is different, in Oman never were so much
>> > hunters around
>> > >> as
>> > >> in Libya and the Oman stuff does not end up in Morocco.
>> > >> And the teams in Oman give always all their finds from one
>> > aerea as a
>> > >> bunch
>> > >> in classification, most in the same place. So different
>> > conditions as
>> > >> with
>> > >> the NWA-stuff.
>> > >> Meanwhile a beginning collector must have the impression, that a
>> > >> howardite,
>> > >> a mesosiderite, a CV3 or a olivine diogenite must be
>> > something extremely
>> > >> common, as always when a new one is coming out, in the
>> > months to follow,
>> > >> appears a dozen numbers of the same material.
>> > >> But ask f.e. Afanasjev or Haberer how many ordinary
>> > chondrites you have
>> > >> to
>> > >> hunt down, until you'll find an achondrite! Make some
>> > stats NWA versus
>> > >> Dho,
>> > >> with the latter I suppose you will get different ratios of
>> > rare types to
>> > >> common ones, if you count the numbers as own finds.
>> > >>
>> > >> And of course many of the OCs from Oman are similar
>> > looking as in most
>> > >> cases, they ae very weathered, W3-4. But take a look in
>> > the lists from
>> > >> the
>> > >> Bulletins, where you can see from the date of find and the
>> > coordinates,
>> > >> that
>> > >> mostly a large series of subsequent numbers were found on
>> > the same trip,
>> > >> there you have a wide variety of Ls and Hs with different
>> > Fa and Fs
>> > >> values
>> > >> and weathering degrees.
>> > >>
>> > >> So I think, if it costs the same, Stevey is not wrong to
>> > prefer Dho
>> > >> instead
>> > >> of NWA, as in my eyes, they have a higher collector's
>> > value (and I'm
>> > >> really
>> > >> no fan of desert chondrites, I'm sooo conservative and
>> > collect names).
>> > >>
>> > >> Cheeers!
>> > >> Martin
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >> From: "MARK BOSTICK" <thebigcollector_at_msn.com>
>> > >> To: <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>;
>> > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>> > >> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:38 PM
>> > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> Hello Martin,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I do not keep a list of paired meteorites or possible
>> > paired meteorites.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Dhofar is no different then DaG or other like regions. I
>> > have traded
>> > >>> more
>> > >>> in DaG so I could tell you some pairs in it. I have seen
>> > a few tables
>> > >>> of
>> > >>> Dhofar's where you have several H5 or L6's that look a lot alike.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> There have been pairing studies done in DaG, Roosvelt County and
>> > >>> Anartica.
>> > >>> In all of these high collection places pairings were
>> > found to be pretty
>> > >>> common. Which I do not see as any problem and that was
>> > not a negative
>> > >>> Dhofar comment. Anyone thinking it was negative is free
>> > to send me all
>> > >>> their Roosevelt County meteorites. Should a pairing
>> > study be made, I
>> > >> think
>> > >>> the numbers say you will find Dhofar no different then
>> > other areas of
>> > >>> meteorite concentration.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> The naming rules in all these areas say pretty much,
>> > unless it fits
>> > >>> together, it gets a different name...or number as it is.
>> > We seem to
>> > >>> have
>> > >>> changed this a little to, found within a few feet, as
>> > many of the DaG's
>> > >> with
>> > >>> the same number do not fit together.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On my website you will find I have many Dhofar, DaG and other like
>> > >> numbered
>> > >>> meteorites. However, if you check the gallery, you will see in my
>> > >> personal
>> > >>> collection, I avoid like classification meteorites from
>> > regions of high
>> > >>> meteorite concentration.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> http://www.meteoritearticles.com/photogallerymeteorites.html
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Mark Bostick
>> > >>> www.meteoritearticles.com
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
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