[meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] North West Arizona Meteorite Unclassified ?]

From: John K. Gwilliam <jkg_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue May 11 12:39:27 2004
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040511085213.02812b20_at_mail.theriver.com>

Good morning everyone,

Consider what might have happened to the little meteorite that eventually
received the name Calcalong Creek. If a skilled and curious eye like Bob
Haag's hadn't taken a second or third look at this unclassified stone, it
would probably be sitting in someone's collection labeled as a
Millbillillie. The person who collected it in the field didn't have the
skilled eye or the level of curiosity it took to tell the stone was
different enough to warrant further investigation.

Many meteorite hunters are in the business purely for the money, and many
of those possess just enough knowledge about meteorites to decide whether
to put the rock they're holding in their hand into their pouch or toss it out.

The Franconia area is similar in some ways. While there are some pretty
savvy meteorite hunters working in the strewn field, there are many that
lack the knowledge to determine if a meteorite in their hand is the same as
the ones in their pouch or if it is something different. The correct
numbers will be coming out in the near future, but it's very safe to say
that there are three or more different meteorites being found in the
Franconia area. I could be wrong, but I think when the next Met. Bull.
comes out that's what we'll find out. A friend of mine found a meteorite
there that was so obviously different that one meteorite "expert" from
California told him it was not even a meteorite. It was almost totally
void of any fusion crust and had no rust on it. Most meteorite folks would
have walked right past it thinking it was one of the local basaltic rocks.

Just my 2 cents worth,

John Gwilliam



At 08:29 AM 5/11/2004, David Freeman wrote:


>(forwarded from Yahoo groups meteoritecollectorsassociation list)
>
>Dear Mark, Ken, Christian, and List;
>We have seen this week already, some interesting occurrences in the
>meteorite community.
>First we see a known collector buy a suspected meteorite and find out that
>it probably wasn't a meteorite and now, we have some of the Franconia
>coming to market and not classified. Or, this is what it appears at the moment.
>
>Is there a solution to the situations involving unclassified
>meteorites? Let the buyer beware is a good way to go but, is there more
>that could be offered? Heck, one day we may all be offering up
>unclassified meteorites if we get into a strewnfield of our own and need a
>few bucks faster than science can produce classifications. How much
>science COULD be lost by selling these unclassified's before their time?
>Would it be in order for the IMCA to offer up an opinion for it's members
>to strive to follow concerning buying and selling unclassified's
>(excluding common NWA'S*?* ) or is that beyond the scope of "meteorites
>and honesty" that we have pledged to uphold? I feed there is a point when
>the collector/person in purchasing mode needs to do homework, and be very
>timid at
>throwing money and encouragement to unclassified's BUT where do we as a
>society go from here? If one unclassified rarity escapes to the
>collectors, and has the holy grail in it's innards......what to do then?
>I think that the issues following unclassified's will live on for a long
>time and may have no answers. Maybe the sellers and buyers in the
>unclassified markets could come up with a universally accepted short
>clause consisting of "...this is supposed to be a meteorite, return if not
>a meteorite. It is offered as unclassified and unnamed (because it isn't
>named), and field data will be provided with accords to Long. Lat, ground
>surface conditions, etc., for future classification, blah, blah,
>blah". I feel a short four sentence universal disclaimer and agreement
>to save some science may be a good tool to chew around.
>
>I hope I have offered a little food to chew on with out feeding any
>ducks. I have heard that schooling ducks is wise, but then, I thought
>ducks were herded and fishes were schooled.
>
>Are we open for debating this issue?
>
>Dave Freeman
>Wyoming Meteorite Recovery Team Leader
>
>MARK BOSTICK wrote:
>
>>Hello Christian,
>>
>>
>>
>>If you notice he lives in Kingman, Arizona. I researched him and the
>>meteorites a little last week. They appear to be meteorites from the
>>Franconia strewn field. Maybe not all the regular red-black H Franconia?
>>
>>
>>One of the Franconia hunters has advised him where to hunt, a little on
>>how to sell them and was interested in purchasing a few of them. I think
>>they are just mostly poor photographs.
>>
>>
>>
>>Mark Bostick
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Christian Anger
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 7:35 AM
>>
>> To: meteoritecollectorsassociation_at_yahoogroups.com
>>
>> Subject: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] North West Arizona
>> Meteorite Unclassified ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi members,
>>
>> have a look at the second pic showing the cut face.
>> Looks like NWA 869 (or pairing) to me:
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
>> ViewItem&category=3239&item=2242808122&rd=1
>>
>> Does anyone know this guy, since he seems to be new at ebay
>> and he is not MCA member ? The description is very short
>> and I have doubt about that this is should be an Arizona meteorite.
>>
>> best,
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> IMCA 2673
>> www.austromet.com
>>
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