[meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out

From: Charles Viau <cviau_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:31:09 2004
Message-ID: <002b01c41825$310b57a0$1800a8c0_at_chupa>

This is just my 2 cents, but the content of this list is so bothersome
lately that I feel that it is the precursor of its demise. Let's face
it; any entity that tries to govern itself without enforced regulations
just does not work any more in this electronic society. The net has
changed forever. I certainly do not have the credentials like some who
post to this list, nor have I been here for the time that they have,
however I do have a suggestion.

This is the premier meteorite board on the net. Perhaps, it should now
be treated with the respect it deserves. Thousands of professionals and
amateurs alike visit and post to it. There are people here from NASA,
all the great colleges and universities, scientists, most major
dealers... and of course the casual person just looking for information.
I agree that a moderator that donates their time and resources cannot
justify active moderations. Without Art, this list would not exist, so
how about a plan for the future:

Art moves the list to a web platform. There are some great, secure web
based message board apps available out there. The board charges dues to
people who post to the list. They are assigned individual passwords.
Lets say, an unqualified sum of $5.00 per year.

The list maintains free read-only access for everyone.

The dues pay for the web related expenses and the services of a
full-time moderator that Art can hire who filters the content to
meteorites only. Any personal attacks, offensive post or spam, you lose
your password, forfeit your dues and are never allowed to post again.
Period. Other content deemed inappropriate, moderator gives warnings
and if it continues, ditto.

I think that if this is done, the list will flourish and some of the
people that have left (and missed) will come back.

Again, just a suggestion, and I do not know how Art feels about that, so
perhaps he could respond with his opinion.

Regards,

CharlyV

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
L Blood
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:45 AM
To: pierre.pele_at_voila.fr; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out

Hi Pierre-Marie & All,
        Well said, BUT there are 3 MAJOR problems with your proposed
solution:

1) Art is good enough to sponsor this list, but HARDLY ANY LIVING HUMAN
would have the time to screen every post! This list is set up to
function on
automatic.

2) While Art has outlined very clear and sane rules, he is very patient
in
allowing room for a "self correcting" forum to allow people to straiten
out when they get out of line. Only a hand full of people have ever been
even suspended and only a few have been banished. And believe me,
they ALL blatantly violated rules over a period of time to manage that.

3) Even when Art does eject a chronic offender, if they have no scruples
or respect for self and others they can simply re-register using an
ongoing
string of email addresses and continue to "contaminate the water." (an
example of this took place in just the last hour or so).

        So, the most effective method BY FAR of dealing with people who
attack and name call and use obscenities is to 1) ignore them under
any and all circumstances and/or 2) write them OFF LIST if you feel
you MUST RESPOND. Any response on list is like trying to put out a
fire with buckets of gasoline! (3- Praying for them won't hurt, either).
        Of course, you can also assume the attitude expressed by ET, and
which, on SOME occasions I have done - enjoy the "dog fight" for what
it is - humans acting out their weaknesses.... sometimes it can be
viewed as truly comical. However, I find that difficult when things
get "nasty," - especially when such dynamics can lead to contributors
such as Bernd leaving the list, but even then there is a magical
solution!
- DELETE!!!!
        Best wishes, Michael
        

on 3/31/04 9:59 PM, Pierre-Marie PELE at pierre.pele_at_voila.fr wrote:

> Hello to the list.
>
> I don't want to sign out myself but I'm very afraid that all these
signs out
> (Mike and Mark) will lead the list to die itself if it continues this
way.
>
> 1. So we have to think out to the cause of this problem : in my
opinion, it's
> due to the personal attacks and messages sent to the members. They
were
> private messages that should have been sent directly to the members
and not on
> the list.
>
> 2. The solution : My solution would be that the moderator (Hello Art
!) would
> read each incoming message and refuse all the messages whose content
is
> offensive for a list member. This way, we'll only get messages whose
object is
> about meteorites and not about meteorite guys.
>
> Pierre-Marie PELE
> www.meteor-center.com
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr
>
>
>
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