[meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out

From: Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:31:09 2004
Message-ID: <BC91EC0E.76ED%mlblood_at_cox.net>

Dear Charles and all,
        I would like to respectfully disagree - strongly.
        The list has worked just fine FOR YEARS - yes, we have had to put up
with some real nonsense, BUT THERE IS A DELETE BUTTON.
        This reminds me of politicians who always want to make amendments
to the constitution. It doesn't matter whether I agree or disagree with the
position, amending the constitution is almost always a very bad idea at
best. Leave the damned thing alone - it is the basis of the greatest country
known throughout history - and no, this country is NOT perfect - just as
this list is not perfect. But let's don't go dorkin' with it!
        Besides, it is Art's baby and no one but Art can do ANYTHING with
it. To all our benefit, Art has ALWAYS demonstrated a non-reactionary
position toward the list. (THANK YOU, Art!)
        Best wishes to all, Michael

on 4/1/04 12:09 PM, Charles Viau at cviau_at_beld.net wrote:

> This is just my 2 cents, but the content of this list is so bothersome
> lately that I feel that it is the precursor of its demise. Let's face
> it; any entity that tries to govern itself without enforced regulations
> just does not work any more in this electronic society. The net has
> changed forever. I certainly do not have the credentials like some who
> post to this list, nor have I been here for the time that they have,
> however I do have a suggestion.
>
> This is the premier meteorite board on the net. Perhaps, it should now
> be treated with the respect it deserves. Thousands of professionals and
> amateurs alike visit and post to it. There are people here from NASA,
> all the great colleges and universities, scientists, most major
> dealers... and of course the casual person just looking for information.
> I agree that a moderator that donates their time and resources cannot
> justify active moderations. Without Art, this list would not exist, so
> how about a plan for the future:
>
> Art moves the list to a web platform. There are some great, secure web
> based message board apps available out there. The board charges dues to
> people who post to the list. They are assigned individual passwords.
> Lets say, an unqualified sum of $5.00 per year.
>
> The list maintains free read-only access for everyone.
>
> The dues pay for the web related expenses and the services of a
> full-time moderator that Art can hire who filters the content to
> meteorites only. Any personal attacks, offensive post or spam, you lose
> your password, forfeit your dues and are never allowed to post again.
> Period. Other content deemed inappropriate, moderator gives warnings
> and if it continues, ditto.
>
> I think that if this is done, the list will flourish and some of the
> people that have left (and missed) will come back.
>
> Again, just a suggestion, and I do not know how Art feels about that, so
> perhaps he could respond with his opinion.
>
> Regards,
>
> CharlyV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> L Blood
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:45 AM
> To: pierre.pele_at_voila.fr; Meteorite List
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out
>
> Hi Pierre-Marie & All,
> Well said, BUT there are 3 MAJOR problems with your proposed
> solution:
>
> 1) Art is good enough to sponsor this list, but HARDLY ANY LIVING HUMAN
> would have the time to screen every post! This list is set up to
> function on
> automatic.
>
> 2) While Art has outlined very clear and sane rules, he is very patient
> in
> allowing room for a "self correcting" forum to allow people to straiten
> out when they get out of line. Only a hand full of people have ever been
> even suspended and only a few have been banished. And believe me,
> they ALL blatantly violated rules over a period of time to manage that.
>
> 3) Even when Art does eject a chronic offender, if they have no scruples
> or respect for self and others they can simply re-register using an
> ongoing
> string of email addresses and continue to "contaminate the water." (an
> example of this took place in just the last hour or so).
>
> So, the most effective method BY FAR of dealing with people who
> attack and name call and use obscenities is to 1) ignore them under
> any and all circumstances and/or 2) write them OFF LIST if you feel
> you MUST RESPOND. Any response on list is like trying to put out a
> fire with buckets of gasoline! (3- Praying for them won't hurt, either).
> Of course, you can also assume the attitude expressed by ET, and
> which, on SOME occasions I have done - enjoy the "dog fight" for what
> it is - humans acting out their weaknesses.... sometimes it can be
> viewed as truly comical. However, I find that difficult when things
> get "nasty," - especially when such dynamics can lead to contributors
> such as Bernd leaving the list, but even then there is a magical
> solution!
> - DELETE!!!!
> Best wishes, Michael
>
>
> on 3/31/04 9:59 PM, Pierre-Marie PELE at pierre.pele_at_voila.fr wrote:
>
>> Hello to the list.
>>
>> I don't want to sign out myself but I'm very afraid that all these
> signs out
>> (Mike and Mark) will lead the list to die itself if it continues this
> way.
>>
>> 1. So we have to think out to the cause of this problem : in my
> opinion, it's
>> due to the personal attacks and messages sent to the members. They
> were
>> private messages that should have been sent directly to the members
> and not on
>> the list.
>>
>> 2. The solution : My solution would be that the moderator (Hello Art
> !) would
>> read each incoming message and refuse all the messages whose content
> is
>> offensive for a list member. This way, we'll only get messages whose
> object is
>> about meteorites and not about meteorite guys.
>>
>> Pierre-Marie PELE
>> www.meteor-center.com
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>> Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr
>>
>>
>>
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>
> --
> When Jesus said "Love your enemies" I think he probably
> meant don't kill them.
> Anonymous
> --
> For perspective, try THIS:
> http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.
> html
> --
> cool message fro Ben & Jerry:
> www.TrueMajority.org/oreo
> --
> AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc.
> http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm
> --
> Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!:
> http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm
> --
> http://www.costofwar.com/
> --
> SUPPORT OUR TROUPS:
> http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html
> --
> Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite:
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
> --
> - Interactive Lady Liberty:
> http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm

--
When Jesus said "Love your enemies" I think he probably
meant don't kill them.
           Anonymous
--
For perspective, try THIS:
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html
--
cool message fro Ben & Jerry:
www.TrueMajority.org/oreo
--
AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc.
http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm
--
Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!:
http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm
--
http://www.costofwar.com/
--
SUPPORT OUR TROUPS:
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html
--
Worth Seeing:  Earth at night from satellite:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
--
- Interactive Lady Liberty:
http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm
-- 
Earth - variety of choices:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html
--
Michael Blood Meteorites:
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/

Received on Thu 01 Apr 2004 06:55:58 PM PST