[meteorite-list] Item #2175659927 - What IF it is Iron-shale?

From: TMS/TNS/HRC <musnat_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:25:43 2004
Message-ID: <004f01c31de9$2b5b6020$248d70d1_at_museumst>

Just as an FYI regarding iron meteorite vs. iron shale. As many of you know
from a previous thread last year I purchased material from Ebay advertised
as Canyon Diablo Meteorites, and was sent shale. My credit card company
definitely made me jump through some hoops, but ultimately I was refunded my
money, then temporarily charged again due to a rebuttal from the seller, and
eventually with the help of several list members was able to put together an
informative packet regarding iron meteorite vs. iron shale and received
credit in full.

The dispute never reached Ebay, as it was handled via Visa.

The rediculous thing is that the vendor never even wanted his material
back!!

I agree that meteoritic shale is not worthless, and has some merit, but
should be plainly advertised as such. When you buy Canyon Diablo
meteorites, you do expect them to attract a magnet!!

Jeannie Devon




----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Schoner" <steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com>
To: "Robert Verish" <bolidechaser_at_yahoo.com>; "Meteorite-list
Meteoritecentral" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Cc: "Russell Kempton" <meteor_at_xensei.com>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Item #2175659927 - What IF it is Iron-shale?


> I think that the best approach is to simply say "iron
> shale" rather than "iron meteorite."
>
> On old specimens, with obscure labels, it should be
> very obvious what is the type of specimen being
> offered.
>
> But one think is certain, "iron shale" is not the same
> as "iron meteorite."
>
> However, there are some "iron shales" such as
> Huccitta, that are very interesting... and they still
> show the olivine in dark shades, and best of all...
>
> THEY DON'T RUST!
>
> LOL !
>
> Steve Schoner
> http://www.geocities.com/meteorite_identification
>
>
> --- Robert Verish <bolidechaser_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hello List,
> >
> > Bottom line is - we don't appear to have a consensus
> > opinion on whether "iron-shale" can be called
> > "meteoritic", or not.
> >
> > I can recall some recent incidents in which the
> > offered "iron-shale" was considered to be
> > NON-meteoritic, and hence, was considered as being
> > falsely advertised. But the problem is - a couple
> > of
> > decades ago reputable meteorite scientist were
> > offering to the general public fragments of
> > iron-shale
> > as "meteorites". Now, some of these same specimens
> > are coming out of old collections and onto eBay, and
> > of course the seller calls them "meteorites".
> >
> > And of course, knowledgeable collectors are then up
> > in
> > arms, but these uninformed eBay sellers are left to
> > scratch their heads and wonder why the old label
> > says
> > "meteorite". Or why, when the iron-shale is still
> > attached to the rind of the iron mass, it is
> > considered a "meteorite", but when it gets
> > knocked-off
> > it NOW ISN'T meteoritic?
> >
> > (As an aside, there are widely varying kinds of
> > iron-shale - from the light, non-magnetic porous
> > limonite of Santa Catharina specimens - to the
> > densely
> > compact goethite of Nantan and Wolf Creek - on to
> > the
> > dark, highly magnetic hematite/magnetite of Canyon
> > Diablo!
> > I have cut&polished some of these CD specimens and
> > found intact nickel, schriebersite and troilite
> > grains!)
> >
> > Where do we draw the line between weathered
> > meteorite
> > and completely terrestrialized; between W6 and
> > fossil
> > or relict meteorites? Have we ever? Do we need to?
> >
> > But if we can't come to a general consensus on the
> > matter of, "iron-shale - is it meteoritic or not",
> > those of us who get involved with these "uninformed
> > eBay sellers" should continue to lend assistance in
> > a
> > helpful manner, as we have been, and never in an
> > accusatory tone, and with the understanding that
> > there
> > will be problems with terminology.
> >
> > (Besides, if the people at eBay get involved with
> > this, will they see the distinction between
> > "iron-shale" and "meteorite"? Or will they look
> > upon
> > the List as a source of interference with their
> > auctions?)
> >
> > Here is a short list of web pages that describe
> > where
> > we (as collectors) stand on the issue of
> > "Iron-shale":
> >
> > JM meteorite collection - iron meteorites
> > ... Odessa iron shale. Sample: 462 gr. This sample
> > is
> > iron shale found in1960's next to a big meteorite
> > from
> > one of those smaller craters. ...
> > http://www.netppl.fi/~jarmom/geo/col/met_iron.htm
> >
> >
> > Meteorite Iron
> > ... about 1t have been collected so far, as well as
> > loads and loads of iron shale. ... Sikhote-Alin
> > is the most tremendous fall of an iron meteorite
> > ever
> > to have been ...
> > http://www.meteorite-martin.de/english/iron_en.html
> >
> >
> > Meteorite Stony Iron
> > ... specimen of a pallasite, surrounded by 900kg of
> > iron shale. ... is very ancient, so that its iron
> > and
> > olivine ... Later on, this meteorite fell into
> > oblivion, and it ...
> >
> http://www.meteorite-martin.de/english/stoneiron_en.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Willamette, Clackamas Co., Oregon (USA) (Iron-shale
> > from this ...
> > ... This material is guaranteed as follows: (1) This
> > is known as meteorite oxide or "iron-shale"
> > and is referred to as such in the Catalogue of
> > Meteorites, 5th ed. ...
> >
> http://home.earthlink.net/~capricorn89/willamette.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > Lake Murray Meteorite photos
> > ... Lake Murray is an iron meteorite, IIB, of
> > extreme
> > terrestrial age, found in Carter County, Oklahoma
> > ...
> > of oxidized iron shale was found around the
> > remaining
> > 600 lb ...
> > http://www.meteorlab.com/METEORLAB2001dev/
> > labphoto/LakeMurray.htm
> >
> >
> > Meteorite.fr - Basics - Meteorite Charts
> > ... The oldest intact meteorite is the Lake Murray
> > iron. A single mass with a thick iron-shale was
> > found
> > in a gully in Oklahoma, USA, in 1933. ...
> > http://www.meteorite.fr/en/basics/charts.htm
> >
> >
> > New Lands: Part 2 Chapter 21
> > ... gouged by one super-meteorite is that in it and
> > around it at least three kinds of
> > meteorites have been found: they are irons, masses
> > of
> > iron-shale, and shale ...
> > http://www.sacred-texts.com/fort/lands/lands221.htm
> >
> >
> > Meteorite - MARE History
> > ... that by now at least 1,200 kg iron meteorite
> > fragments have ... years, ranges from virtually
> > no removal of iron to complete disintegration to
> > shale-balls. ...
> > http://www.flash.net/~meteors/Henbury.htm
> >
> >
> > Monturaqui Iron Shale - Which Classification?
> > [meteorite-list] Monturaqui Iron Shale - Which
> > Classification? ... Previous message:
> > [meteorite-list] Monturaqui Iron Shale - Which
> > Classification? ...
> >
> http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2002-March/010116.html
> >
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