[meteorite-list] Re: Fwd: Re: Question for seller -- Item #2175659927
From: walter branch <branchw_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:25:42 2004 Message-ID: <002001c31fdc$39f612c0$6801a8c0_at_l1s2m3> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C31FBA.B2BB3FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Paul and List, Good points. I have never been one to place much stock in COAs and the like. I don't produce them and whenever I get one from someone I usually end up throwing them away. Having said that, I have received COAs of NWA 482 from Jim Strope in=20 which the actual specimen has been scanned and printed on the COA. In = this way, there is no way the paper COA can be paired with a different = specimen. -Walter --------------------------------------------- www.branchmeteorites.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LITIG8NSHARK_at_aol.com=20 To: steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com=20 Cc: staff_at_meteorlab.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Fwd: Re: Question for seller -- Item = #2175659927 Good afternoon Folks, As Steve rightly alludes to, any of us who provide written analysis = findings or, for that matter, certificates of authenticity, run the risk = that these documents may be used either negligently or fraudulently by a = holder of the document down the line. Unfortunately, in the present circumstance, the entire document is not = photographed for display. We just don't know whether it describes the = specimen which was examined and which the document purports to = authenticate. =20 Anyone wishing to perpetrate a fraud can take a valid analysis = document or COA and then pair it with a meteorwrong. Another somewhat = less nefarious situation might arise when only one or two samples out of = a group are submitted for authentication and the holder then either = wrongly presumes, or in an attempt to deceive, holds out the document as = applying to an entire group of specimens. =20 It follows that any analysis document or COA must, with specificity, = describe the specimen analyzed, and at minimum include its macroscopic = physical characteristics such as mass and dimensions. An additional = safety measure for the producer of the document would be to incorporate = a photo or photos of the specimen in the document. Failure to take these basic precautions potentially leaves one open to = questions, allegations and a possible civil suit (winnable or not) that = ultimately will impact the producer of the document. Best Regards, Paul In a message dated 5/21/2003 4:17:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com writes: It alarming to me, as it uses a letter from an standing IMCA member to "authenticate" items that are clearly, from the photos shown, NOT Canyon Diablo meteorites. The seller even posts the authentication letter in the auction picture pages. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C31FBA.B2BB3FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1170" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#80ffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Paul and List,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good points. I have never been = one to place=20 much stock in COAs</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and the like. </FONT><FONT = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>I don't produce them and whenever I get one from = someone</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I usually end up throwing them = away.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Having said that, I have = received COAs of NWA=20 482 from Jim Strope in </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>which the actual specimen has been = scanned and=20 printed on the COA. In this</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>way, there is no way the paper COA can = be paired=20 with a different specimen.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Walter</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV> <DIV>---------------------------------------------<BR><A=20 href=3D"http://www.branchmeteorites.com">www.branchmeteorites.com</A></DI= V> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3DLITIG8NSHARK_at_aol.com=20 href=3D"mailto:LITIG8NSHARK_at_aol.com">LITIG8NSHARK@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dsteve_schoner_at_yahoo.com=20 href=3D"mailto:steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com">steve_schoner@yahoo.com</A> ; = <A=20 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A = title=3Dstaff_at_meteorlab.com=20 href=3D"mailto:staff_at_meteorlab.com">staff@meteorlab.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 21, 2003 = 4:44=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] = Re: Fwd:=20 Re: Question for seller -- Item #2175659927</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Good afternoon = Folks,<BR><BR>As Steve=20 rightly alludes to, any of us who provide written analysis findings = or, for=20 that matter, certificates of authenticity, run the risk that these = documents=20 may be used either negligently or fraudulently by a holder of the = document=20 down the line.<BR><BR>Unfortunately, in the present circumstance, the = entire=20 document is not photographed for display. We just don't know = whether it=20 describes the specimen which was examined and which the document = purports to=20 authenticate. <BR><BR>Anyone wishing to perpetrate a fraud can = take a=20 valid analysis document or COA and then pair it with a = meteorwrong. =20 Another somewhat less nefarious situation might arise when only one or = two=20 samples out of a group are submitted for authentication and the holder = then=20 either wrongly presumes, or in an attempt to deceive, holds out the = document=20 as applying to an entire group of specimens. <BR><BR>It follows = that any=20 analysis document or COA must, with specificity, describe the specimen = analyzed, and at minimum include its macroscopic physical = characteristics such=20 as mass and dimensions. An additional safety measure for the = producer of=20 the document would be to incorporate a photo or photos of the specimen = in the=20 document.<BR><BR>Failure to take these basic precautions potentially = leaves=20 one open to questions, allegations and a possible civil suit (winnable = or not)=20 that ultimately will impact the producer of the document.<BR><BR>Best=20 Regards,<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>In a message dated 5/21/2003 4:17:37 PM = Eastern=20 Daylight Time, steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com writes:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20 TYPE=3D"CITE"></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #80ffff" face=3DArial=20 color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">It alarming to me, as = it uses a=20 letter from an<BR>standing IMCA member to "authenticate" items that=20 are<BR>clearly, from the photos shown, NOT Canyon=20 Diablo<BR>meteorites. The seller even posts the=20 authentication<BR>letter in the auction picture=20 pages.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 = style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #80ffff"=20 face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D3=20 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C31FBA.B2BB3FE0-- Received on Wed 21 May 2003 05:02:01 PM PDT |
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