[meteorite-list] Jeff's online meteorite listing

From: Jeff Kuyken <jeff_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:00:08 2004
Message-ID: <00a901c22efd$5ca424e0$893d28cb_at_shfjj8d2daifbh>

G'day Bob and List,

Thankyou to everyone who has written to me with compliments, updates and
corrections. ALL of them have certainly been appreciated and I am glad list
members have chosen to help me. None have been taken as criticism. Please
feel free to keep sending me any other contributions or corrections should
you find some. I have to say that putting together a list of 7000 meteorite
names can make you go cross-eyed! ;-) So it's great when someone else can
offer their assistance with something that I may have missed.

I'm going to look at reclassifications pretty simply and say, 'If a
meteorite has been reclassified by a recognized institution; why not update
to reflect that work?' The list is for any individual to use as a quick and
easy reference which I would like to make as accurate as possible. So I have
made the changes (before I got this email) which I believe is the best
thing. That's what the classification is, so that's where it goes! If it is
good enough for Alan Rubin and Bob; it's good enough for me.

I have added a couple more features to the list. Type Specimens have been
listed in Blue and I have added a Google search bar at the bottom of the
list. That way if you are looking for or find a specimen from a certain
classification, you can search the web staight from my page and not have to
go to a separate search engine site.

Hope you all enjoy the list and get as much use out of it as I have.

Thanks again,

Jeff Kuyken
I.M.C.A. #3085
www.meteoritesaustralia.com



>
> I want to echo Bob's kudos -- your website tally is a
> nice on-line source of quick classification data. I
> found a few California entries that can be updated:
>
> ++++SNIP!++++
>
> Cheers,
> Rob
> ------------ End of Original Message -------------
>
> Hello Jeff and List,
> I just wanted to add one more thing. And I'm sure
> most readers of Rob Matson's post understood that the
> "updates" weren't meant to be any form of criticism.
> But just in case, I would like to make it clear that
> Jeff is in no way remiss for not having knowledge of
> those "updated classifications". Mainly, because they
> haven't been published, yet.
> So, aside from Alan Rubin and me, and the few people
> that I shared these "results" with, such as Rob, no
> one else could have knowledge of these "updated
> classifications".
>
> But wait, that's not quite true. I did supply all of
> these "updates" to Sara Russell , the Met. Bulletin
> editor, but she declined to forward them to the
> Nomenclature Committee for review, saying that it
> would be better for reviewing and referencing purposes
> to have all of these "updates" published somewhere.
> She suggested that I write up some abstracts. And I
> agreed. So, I went and wrote 6 abstracts and
> submitted them for the 65th Annual Met. Soc. Meeting,
> but they all got turned down! Their explanation -
> they are prohibited from accepting abstracts that
> don't conform to the nomenclature and classification
> as published in the Meteoritical Bulletin [period]
>
> Crikey, mate! It's a "Catch-22"! And worse, it was
> too late to go back to the Nomenclature Committee -
> the deadline had expired (because it was months
> earlier this year). Now, I don't want to give the
> impression that I was just being "jerked around" and
> that I was being treated as some sort of "bothersome
> collector", because this was actually all a result of
> bad timing and being a victim of circumstances.
> Nevertheless, I did fail to get all this information
> into the Meteoritical Bulletin (THIS year;-). But
> I'll try again NEXT year, and much earlier. So, I
> just wanted to say all of this "in my defense",
> because I don't want to be accused of "sitting on
> data".
>
> Okay, some of you may say, "Why didn't you let Alan
> Rubin handle all of this?" Simple. Because it's not
> his job. Besides, I was the "stake-holder" in this
> effort. What I mean is, this effort was initiated by
> me and the effort in tracking down these "historical"
> California meteorites, and acquiring/trading samples,
> was entirely mine. And, in the end, I succeeded in
> getting to Alan Rubin a sample from each of the last
> few uncharacterized California stony meteorites. And
> it wasn't just for the sake of getting the last few
> unclassified California meteorites a proper
> characterization. It was for purposes of determining
> pairing with recent meteorite finds that I (and some
> of my colleagues) had made, before we could request
> proper names from the Nomenclature Committee. This is
> what I meant by me being the "stake-holder".
>
> So, Jeff K., it's your decision. Go ahead and make
> the changes, anticipating that this time next year
> they will appear in the Meteoritical Bulletin, or keep
> what you have and only make changes after publication
> of reclassifications. (Or you can think about adding
> the phrase, "Pending Reclassification" or "Pending Nom
> Comm Approval":-)
>
> But I will point out one potential complication. Say,
> you revise your list with the "anticipated"
> reclassifications, but Bernd (and other independent
> database keepers) DON'T, then we're not all "working
> off of the same page"... ? How widely divergent will
> all of these databases become? And where do you draw
> the line?
>
> And finally, should you go ahead with the changes now,
> then you should feel equally comfortable with moving
> Gold Basin from the L4 column to the L6 column!!
> ;-)))
>
> Bob V.
>
> ---------------- Attached Message ------------------
> [meteorite-list] New complete on-line listing of
> Meteorites.
>
> Jeff Kuyken jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com
> Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:02:59 +1000
>
> G'day List,
>
> After many, many, many hours and much frustration I
> have finally completed a list of all meteorites
> arranged by classification and put it on my website.
> It is simply the names of meteorites by their
> classification and in alphabetical order. I have
> omitted some Antarctic meteorites, however there
> are probably a couple of thousand desert meteorites
> (eg. NWA, DAG, Dho etc).
> I have endeavoured to make the list as complete and
> accurate as possible however if anyone finds a
> mistake, (double-up, wrong class, etc) please let me
> know. I have found it very useful for my own personal
> use and I hope others will get just as much use.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff Kuyken
> I.M.C.A. #3085
> www.meteoritesaustralia.com
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