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From: Eric Twelker <twelker_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:55:48 2004
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Hello List

 Alas, I don't particularly like this kind of exposure for my site--I make
it a rule to stay out of these squabbles. For the record, and for those who
are interested, I do have NWA CR2 at competitive prices. Email me if you
are interested (or if you want to know why these specimens are so
expensive).

 Regards,

 Eric Twelker
 twelker_at_alaska.net
 http://www.meteoritemarket.com

From: Meteordealer <meteor.dealer_at_gte.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:34:52 -0500
To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin......LAST WORD

<< It took a year and the NWA CR2 was never $300- per gram.>>

http://www.alaska.net/~meteor/NWAxxx.htm

Brad Sampson
meteor.dealer_at_gte.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Mils <mailto:acculabs_at_hotmail.com>
To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin......LAST WORD

Brad:

I see you had to wait until school was out until you answered my questions.
You still did not address how your definition of legit meteorites relates to
Lafayette which clearly does not fit according to your definition.

CR2 did not fall in price over a few days as you stated. It took a year and
the NWA CR2 was never $300- per gram.

Anyone who pays $4 to $5 per gram for Brahim is just asking for trouble with
this ruster. And those who follow your advice to buy it and hold it for the
future will find that the future holds nothing but a pile of rust and
olivine crystals. Same with Brenham. There are a few execptions depending
on the sample but I would not want to make the bet.

Randy
>From: "Meteordealer"
>To:
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin......LAST WORD
>Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:56:38 -0500
>
><>
>
>No problem. NWA CR2's have lost 95% of their value practically overnight. One
day they were $300g, a few days later they were $15g, hence the entire
reason this discussion was started, Matteo was upset that the price of his
NWA CR2's had crashed. Have you noticed that the Temple Bar, Arizona CR2 is
still going for $300g-$500g despite what is happening with the Moroccan's?
What's the current value on Renazzo (CR2), $350g-$400g?
>
><>
>
>Wagon Mound currently lists between $1.50g-$2.50g. That's the same price i was
selling it for 2 years ago. There are 2 pieces of WM on Ebay that just sold
for $2.28g and $11.72g.
>
><>
>
>Brahin could be found online about 4 years ago for $4.50g-$5.00g. If you go
outside of Ebay it is still listed for $4g-$5.00g and selling for that price
i might add. I sold out of Brahin last Summer for $4.00g. I had a collector
email me a couple of weeks ago wanting some Brahin or Brenham. He said he
was willing to pay $5g for a nice slice in the 100g range. Ebay is not the
end all be all determining factor of meteorite value. You also have to
factor in website prices, private sale prices, and offline mail order
prices. Don't be fooled by the artificially low Ebay prices for Brahin. I
would suggest buying as much Brahin as you can as the price will be shooting
back up as soon as Ivan runs out. That is all i have to say on the subject.
If anyone needs clarification as to why rare types of NWA's are crashing
feel free to email me PRIVATELY as i no longer wish to bore the list members
with this endless debate. This dead horse has been beaten long enough. ;-)
>
>
>Brad Sampson
>meteor.dealer_at_gte.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randy Mils
> To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 7:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin......
>
>
> Brad:
>
> Based upon your criteria of a "legitimate" meteorite, Lafayette does not
qualify. We do not know for sure when, where or by whom on Lafayette.
>
> Please educate us on which NWA meteorite lost 95% of it's value in 24 hours.
Was this just another of your broad, sweeping statements made for shock
value?
>
> Also, Wagon Mound is not selling for what it sold per gram when it was first
found. This is just not a true statement. Actually I remember when one
dealer had a sale in which he GAVE AWAY a sample of Wagon Mound with every
purchase. Does this lower the value to zero. No, not anymore than a sale on
any commodity at a retail store.
>
> Brahin once sold for $10- per gram. Now it can be bought on ebay for less than
$1- sometimes. How much are you selling it for on your website? You seem to
have omitted the price on this one. http://www.angelfire.com/me2/meteorites/
>
> Randy
>
> >From: "Meteordealer"
> >To:
> >Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin......
> >Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:06:50 -0500
> >
> > "Legitimate" meaning it has a unique name and we know where, when, total
> >mass, how, and by whom it was found. Also meaning that the appropriate lab
> >work and pairing has been done. Have any meteorites other than an NWA lost
> >95% of their value in a 24 hour period? Not that i recall. Are most NON
> >NWA's with the exception of a few still selling at about the same price as
> >they always have? Yes.
> >
> >Brad Sampson
> >meteor.dealer_at_gte.net
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Michael Blood"
> >To: "Meteordealer"
> >Cc:
> >Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:41 AM
> >Subject: CR2 prices ruin......
> >
> >
> > > Meteordealer wrote:
> > > > What instability??? Most legitimate finds and falls ARE holding
> >steady.
> > > > I'm a dealer. I compare the market prices of many meteorites on a daily
> > > > basis. Just about all of them i look at are the same price they've
> >always
> > > > been or more.......
> > > > Brad Sampson
> > > > ______________________________________________________
> > > Well Brad,
> > > Let's get this strait: there is no (price) instability, there are
> > > "legitimate"
> > > falls and finds - meaning, I suppose, the others (NWA, in particular)
> > > are "illagitimate" and prices are "holding steady."
> > > You have enlightened me to such a degree I have placed your emial in
> > > the folder I formerly reserved for posts from Mohamed .... and I don't
> > > mean
> > > Ali.
> > > Keep on truckin', dude.
> > > Michael
> > >
> >
> >
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Hello List 
 
   Alas, I don't particularly like this kind of exposure fo=
r my site--I make it a rule to stay out of these squabbles.  For the re=
cord, and for those who are interested, I do have NWA CR2 at competitive pri=
ces.  Email me if you are interested (or if you want to know why these =
specimens are so expensive). 
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</BLOCKQUOTE>    Regards, 
 
   Eric Twelker 
   twelker_at_alaska.net 
   http://www.meteoritemarket.com 
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From: Meteordealer <meteor.dealer_at_gte.net> 
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:34:52 -0500 
To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin......LAST WORD 
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE><<  It took a year and the NWA=
CR2 was never $300- per gram.>> 
 
http://www.alaska.net/~meteor/NWAxxx.htm 
 
 
Brad Sampson 
meteor.dealer_at_gte.net 
<BLOCKQUOTE>----- Original Message ----- 
From: Randy Mils <mailto:acculabs_at_hotmail.com>   
To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 4:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin......LAST WORD 
 
Brad: 
 
I see you had to wait until school was out until you answered my questions.=
 You still did not address how your definition of legit meteorites rel=
ates to Lafayette which clearly does not fit according to your definition. <=
BR>
 
CR2 did not fall in price over a few days as you stated.  It took a ye=
ar and the NWA CR2 was never $300- per gram. 
 
Anyone who pays $4 to $5 per gram for Brahim is just asking for trouble wit=
h this ruster. And those who follow your advice to buy it and hold it for th=
e future will find that the future holds nothing but a pile of rust and oliv=
ine crystals.  Same with Brenham.  There are a few execptions depe=
nding on the sample but I would not want to make the bet. 
 
Randy 
>From: "Meteordealer" 
>To: 
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin......LAST WORD 
>Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:56:38 -0500 
> 
><> 
> 
>No problem. NWA CR2's have lost 95% of their value practically overnigh=
t. One day they were $300g, a few days later they were $15g, hence the entir=
e reason this discussion was started, Matteo was upset that the price of his=
NWA CR2's had crashed. Have you noticed that the Temple Bar, Arizona CR2 is=
still going for $300g-$500g despite what is happening with the Moroccan's? =
What's the current value on Renazzo (CR2), $350g-$400g? 
> 
><> 
> 
>Wagon Mound currently lists between $1.50g-$2.50g. That's the same pric=
e i was selling it for 2 years ago. There are 2 pieces of WM on Ebay that ju=
st sold for $2.28g and $11.72g. 
> 
><> 
> 
>Brahin could be found online about 4 years ago for $4.50g-$5.00g. If yo=
u go outside of Ebay it is still listed for $4g-$5.00g and selling for that =
price i might add. I sold out of Brahin last Summer for $4.00g. I had a coll=
ector email me a couple of weeks ago wanting some Brahin or Brenham. He said=
he was willing to pay $5g for a nice slice in the 100g range. Ebay is not t=
he end all be all determining factor of meteorite value. You also have to fa=
ctor in website prices, private sale prices, and offline mail order prices. =
Don't be fooled by the artificially low Ebay prices for Brahin. I would sugg=
est buying as much Brahin as you can as the price will be shooting back up a=
s soon as Ivan runs out. That is all i have to say on the subject. If anyone=
needs clarification as to why rare types of NWA's are crashing feel free to=
email me PRIVATELY as i no longer wish to bore the list members with this e=
ndless debate. This dead horse has been beaten long enough. ;-) 
> 
> 
>Brad Sampson 
>meteor.dealer_at_gte.net 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Randy Mils 
> To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com 
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 7:34 AM 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin...... 
> 
> 
> Brad: 
> 
> Based upon your criteria of a "legitimate" meteorite, Lafaye=
tte does not qualify. We do not know for sure when, where or by whom on Lafa=
yette. 
> 
> Please educate us on which NWA meteorite lost 95% of it's value in 24 =
hours. Was this just another of your broad, sweeping statements made for sho=
ck value? 
> 
> Also, Wagon Mound is not selling for what it sold per gram when it was=
first found. This is just not a true statement. Actually I remember when on=
e dealer had a sale in which he GAVE AWAY a sample of Wagon Mound with every=
purchase. Does this lower the value to zero. No, not anymore than a sale on=
any commodity at a retail store. 
> 
> Brahin once sold for $10- per gram. Now it can be bought on ebay for l=
ess than $1- sometimes. How much are you selling it for on your website? You=
seem to have omitted the price on this one. http://www.angelfire.com/me2/me=
teorites/ 
> 
> Randy 
> 
> >From: "Meteordealer" 
> >To: 
> >Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin...... 
> >Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:06:50 -0500 
> > 
> > "Legitimate" meaning it has a unique name and we know w=
here, when, total 
> >mass, how, and by whom it was found. Also meaning that the appropr=
iate lab 
> >work and pairing has been done. Have any meteorites other than an =
NWA lost 
> >95% of their value in a 24 hour period? Not that i recall. Are mos=
t NON 
> >NWA's with the exception of a few still selling at about the same =
price as 
> >they always have? Yes. 
> > 
> >Brad Sampson 
> >meteor.dealer_at_gte.net 
> > 
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Michael Blood" 
> >To: "Meteordealer" 
> >Cc: 
> >Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:41 AM 
> >Subject: CR2 prices ruin...... 
> > 
> > 
> > > Meteordealer wrote: 
> > > > What instability??? Most legitimate finds and falls ARE=
holding 
> >steady. 
> > > > I'm a dealer. I compare the market prices of many meteo=
rites on a daily 
> > > > basis. Just about all of them i look at are the same pr=
ice they've 
> >always 
> > > > been or more....... 
> > > > Brad Sampson 
> > > > ______________________________________________________ =
 
> > > Well Brad, 
> > > Let's get this strait: there is no (price) instability, ther=
e are 
> > > "legitimate" 
> > > falls and finds - meaning, I suppose, the others (NWA, in pa=
rticular) 
> > > are "illagitimate" and prices are "holding st=
eady." 
> > > You have enlightened me to such a degree I have placed your =
emial in 
> > > the folder I formerly reserved for posts from Mohamed .... a=
nd I don't 
> > > mean 
> > > Ali. 
> > > Keep on truckin', dude. 
> > > Michael 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> >______________________________________________ 
> >Meteorite-list mailing list 
> >Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com 
> >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 
> 
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