[meteorite-list] IMCA not INRMCA

From: Rosemary Hackney <ltcrose_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:52:10 2004
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Well I have been out of circulation for about 2 weeks or so give or =
take.. and I have no idea what is going on. But Rhett I hope you are not =
going to quit. What is International Non Racist meteor whatzit? And =
anyway... I think peeps are confusing race with ethnicity. when you get =
down to it.. there are 3 colors of peeps.... Yellow.. the Orientals that =
have a mixture of melanin and carotene pigmentation. =20
White ( albino ) no pigmentation and Black.. differing degrees of =
melanin content...In this group most of us fall =20
Caucasians.. Arabic..Blacks.. Indian ( native Americans)Hispanics, etc.

Just a thought.

Rosie
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: meteorites_at_space.com=20
  To: Nakhladog_at_attbi.com=20
  Cc: magellon_at_earthlink.net ; Meteorite-List@meteoritecentral.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not INRMCA


  Ditto, Rob.. Steve Schoner #4470 On Thu, 25 July 2002, "Rob Wesel" =
wrote:=20

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  I am afraid I am going to have to chime in with Ken and others here.=20

  The International Non-Racist Meteorite Collectors Association needs to =
be at a separate URL, it really has nothing to do with the foundation of =
this organization. Just because the word international is included =
doesn't mean we all have to get along. I love Matteo, but his posts bug =
me, same with Arnold, and now Rhett.

  Lists have rules, that's fine because they are usually owned by one =
person who calls the House Rules. Mr. Jones can write whatever rules he =
wants, it's his deal. The IMCA is our deal. It was a bigger deal than =
joining a chat room in that we all joined en masse upon review and after =
team construction/approval of it's policies.=20

  Now I see the emergence of a single moderator adding, as he sees fit, =
any policy he wants without consent of the members of the organization. =
If this was a decision of the board then I stand corrected, and still =
protest the decision.

  The truth, meteorite distribution is a predominately testosterone =
driven ego challenge, dealers don't always get along. Our list is never =
the right place for this but it usually goes away. Very few ever get =
kicked off or even put on probation, and here Arnold is singled out even =
after his post was prematurely deleted.=20

  As much as I dread the daily ads, I think Arnold should be left to do =
as he does. Remember how pissed we got at Mohammad, Steve Arnold From =
Chicago is mild by comparison.=20

  Leave the IMCA to meteorites, not politics and remember that there is =
a board to decide such matters. Yes, the IMCA list is not a place for =
flame wars, or sales pitches, that's clear, but Jesus Rhett...do you =
read every post before sending it along or were you singling out Arnold =
well before that to have blasted his posts before they could ever be =
seen?

  Matteo, sorry you were offended, but deal with it. Rhett, take it down =
a notch. Steve, just....oh...do what you have to do. The ink has worn =
off my delete key.

  We're eight months in on the IMCA and it seems to be working, Rhett's =
contribution is appreciated, lets not revert back to bickering, =
martyrdom and chaos but instead keep it simple, protect buyers when =
possible and inform the public as we have been doing.


  --
  Rob Wesel # 9275
  ------------------
  We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
  Willy Wonka, 1971



    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: magellon=20
    To: Meteorite-List_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:05 PM
    Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] THANKS


    Rhett,=20
    I am even more confused? Steve said "pisano" in a private e-mail =
that Matteo made public...=20
    Then Steve admits his mistake to you privately, and you then teach =
him a lesson by putting him on=20
    "probation"? Does he still receive posts from the IMCA group site? =
Or did you stop those?=20
    If he admitted he was mad and wrong, why punish him?=20
    He's not racist - He was just being mad and wrong.=20
    Rhett, I may not know the whole story but I know this was between =
two people.=20
    Why are you bringing the IMCA into this?=20
    To establish "peace" is NOT a good reason.=20
    The IMCA is for the authenticity of meteorites "period".=20
    Are things more peaceful now?=20
    You know as well as anyone that people get mad and say things they =
should not.=20
    First, it is up to the two individuals to try to straighten things =
out on their own.=20
    It saddens me that you say you would do it again.=20
    Rhett, this appears not be a matter of racism but more an excuse=20
    to push someone around you admittedly don't like.=20
    No? Just substitute any other big dealer in Steve's place.=20
    If Mike Farmer (not picking on you Mike :>) had said this to Matteo, =

     would you have reacted the same way?=20
    If you answer "yes," then why haven't you in the past?=20

    You can not force people to be nice but they can learn from your =
good example.=20
    You have kindly and privately reproved me when I broke IMCA rules.=20
    So, I know you can create a harmonious environment when you try =
without changing the path of IMCA.=20

    I could not understand from your comment if the board had any say so =
in the new change to IMCA or not?=20
    It sounded as if you did it on your own.=20
    Does the board no longer make these type of policy changing =
decisions?=20

    Please don't start talking about quitting like you did before.=20
    We all appreciate your past achievements.=20
    But, If you are serious (which I doubt), I will be glad accept the =
position. (thank you)=20
    Best case scenario, I would share it with Jake Delgato or another =
member)=20

    Thanks,=20
    Ken Newton=20
       How fights get started=20
    #9632=20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well I have been out of circulation for =
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weeks or so give or take.. and I have no idea what is going on. But =
Rhett I hope=20
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peeps....=20
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pigmentation.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>White ( albino ) no pigmentation&nbsp; =
and Black..=20
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fall&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Caucasians.. Arabic..Blacks.. Indian ( =
native=20
Americans)Hispanics, etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just a thought.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rosie</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
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  <A title=3Dmeteorites_at_space.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:meteorites_at_space.com">meteorites@space.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3DNakhladog_at_attbi.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:Nakhladog_at_attbi.com">Nakhladog@attbi.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dmagellon_at_earthlink.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:magellon_at_earthlink.net">magellon@earthlink.net</A> ; <A =

  title=3DMeteorite-List_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:Meteorite-List_at_meteoritecentral.com">Meteorite-List@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 10, 2002 =
12:50=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] =
IMCA not=20
  INRMCA</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Ditto, Rob.. Steve Schoner #4470 On Thu, 25 July 2002, =
"Rob=20
  Wesel" wrote: <BR>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am afraid I am going to have to =
chime in with=20
  Ken and others here. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The International Non-Racist =
Meteorite Collectors=20
  Association needs to be at a separate URL, it really has nothing to do =
with=20
  the foundation of this organization. Just because the word=20
  <EM>international</EM> is included doesn't mean we all have to get=20
  along.&nbsp;I love Matteo, but his posts bug me, same with =
Arnold,&nbsp;and=20
  now Rhett.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lists have rules, that's fine because =
they are=20
  usually owned by one person who calls the House Rules. Mr. Jones can =
write=20
  whatever rules he wants, it's his deal. The IMCA is our deal. It was a =
bigger=20
  deal than joining a chat room in that we all joined&nbsp;en masse upon =
review=20
  and after&nbsp;team construction/approval of it's policies. =
</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now I see the emergence of a single =
moderator=20
  adding, as he sees fit, any policy he wants without consent of the =
members of=20
  the organization. If this was a decision of the board then I stand =
corrected,=20
  and still protest the decision.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The truth, meteorite distribution is =
a=20
  predominately testosterone driven ego challenge, dealers don't always =
get=20
  along. Our list is never the right place for this but it usually goes =
away.=20
  Very few ever get kicked off or even put on probation, and here Arnold =
is=20
  singled out even after his post was prematurely&nbsp;deleted. =
</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As much as I dread the daily ads, I =
think Arnold=20
  should be left to do as he does. Remember how pissed we got at =
Mohammad, Steve=20
  Arnold From Chicago is mild by comparison. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Leave the IMCA to meteorites, not =
politics and=20
  remember that there is a board to decide such matters. Yes, the IMCA =
list is=20
  not a place for flame wars, or sales pitches, that's clear, but Jesus=20
  Rhett...do you read every post before sending it along or were you =
singling=20
  out Arnold well before that to have blasted his posts before they =
could ever=20
  be seen?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Matteo, sorry you were offended, but =
deal with=20
  it. Rhett, take it down a notch. Steve, just....oh...do what you have =
to do.=20
  The ink has worn off my delete key.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We're&nbsp;eight months in on the =
IMCA and it=20
  seems to be working, Rhett's contribution is appreciated, lets not =
revert back=20
  to bickering, martyrdom and chaos but instead&nbsp;keep it simple, =
protect=20
  buyers when possible and&nbsp;inform the public as we have been=20
  doing.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>--<BR>Rob Wesel #=20
  9275<BR>------------------<BR>We are the music makers...and we are the =

  dreamers of the dreams.<BR>Willy Wonka, 1971</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dmagellon_at_earthlink.net=20
    =
href=3D"http://mail.space.com/mail/compose?to=3Dmagellon_at_earthlink.net">m=
agellon</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
    title=3DMeteorite-List_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
    =
href=3D"http://mail.space.com/mail/compose?to=3DMeteorite-List_at_meteoritec=
entral.com">Meteorite-List_at_meteoritecentral.com</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 25, 2002 =
5:05=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] =

    THANKS</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>Rhett, <BR>I am even more confused? Steve said =
"pisano" in a=20
    private e-mail that Matteo made public... <BR>Then Steve admits his =
mistake=20
    to you privately,&nbsp; and you then teach him a lesson by&nbsp;=20
    putting&nbsp; him on <BR>"probation"? Does he still receive posts =
from the=20
    IMCA group site? Or did you stop those? <BR>If he admitted he was =
mad and=20
    wrong, why punish him? <BR>He's not racist - He was just being mad =
and=20
    wrong.=20
    <P>Rhett, I may not know the whole story but I know this was between =
two=20
    people. <BR>Why are you bringing the IMCA into this? <BR>To =
establish=20
    "peace" is NOT a good reason. <BR>The IMCA is for the authenticity =
of=20
    meteorites "period". <BR>Are things more peaceful now? <BR>You know =
as well=20
    as anyone&nbsp; that people get mad and say things they should not.=20
    <BR>First, it is up to the two individuals to try to straighten =
things out=20
    on their own. <BR>It saddens me that you say you would do it again.=20
    <BR>Rhett, this appears not be a matter of racism but more an excuse =
<BR>to=20
    push someone around&nbsp; you admittedly don't like. <BR>No? Just =
substitute=20
    any other big dealer in Steve's place. <BR>If Mike Farmer (not =
picking on=20
    you Mike :&gt;) had said this to Matteo, <BR>&nbsp;would you have =
reacted=20
    the same way? <BR>If you answer "yes," then why haven't you in the =
past?=20
    <P>You can not force people to be nice but they can learn from your =
good=20
    example. <BR>You have kindly and privately reproved me when I broke =
IMCA=20
    rules. <BR>So, I know you can create a harmonious environment when =
you try=20
    without changing the path of IMCA.=20
    <P>I could not understand from your comment if the board had any say =
so in=20
    the new change to IMCA or not? <BR>It sounded as if you did it on =
your own.=20
    <BR>Does the board no longer make these type of policy changing =
decisions?=20
    <P>Please don't start talking about quitting like you did before. =
<BR>We all=20
    appreciate your past achievements. <BR>But, <B>If you are =
serious</B> (which=20
    I doubt),&nbsp; <B>I will be glad accept the position</B>. (thank =
you)=20
    <BR>Best case scenario,&nbsp; I would share it with Jake Delgato or =
another=20
    member)=20
    <P>Thanks, <BR>Ken Newton <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
    =
href=3D"http://www.bay-town.com/members/magellon/toon/nutnbitch.jpg">How =

    fights get started</A> <BR>#9632 </P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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