[meteorite-list] IMCA not INRMCA
From: Rosemary Hackney <ltcrose_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:52:10 2004 Message-ID: <001301c240a1$b05d1dc0$2875d6d1_at_default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C24077.C6A3BAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I have been out of circulation for about 2 weeks or so give or = take.. and I have no idea what is going on. But Rhett I hope you are not = going to quit. What is International Non Racist meteor whatzit? And = anyway... I think peeps are confusing race with ethnicity. when you get = down to it.. there are 3 colors of peeps.... Yellow.. the Orientals that = have a mixture of melanin and carotene pigmentation. =20 White ( albino ) no pigmentation and Black.. differing degrees of = melanin content...In this group most of us fall =20 Caucasians.. Arabic..Blacks.. Indian ( native Americans)Hispanics, etc. Just a thought. Rosie ----- Original Message -----=20 From: meteorites_at_space.com=20 To: Nakhladog_at_attbi.com=20 Cc: magellon_at_earthlink.net ; Meteorite-List@meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not INRMCA Ditto, Rob.. Steve Schoner #4470 On Thu, 25 July 2002, "Rob Wesel" = wrote:=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- =20 I am afraid I am going to have to chime in with Ken and others here.=20 The International Non-Racist Meteorite Collectors Association needs to = be at a separate URL, it really has nothing to do with the foundation of = this organization. Just because the word international is included = doesn't mean we all have to get along. I love Matteo, but his posts bug = me, same with Arnold, and now Rhett. Lists have rules, that's fine because they are usually owned by one = person who calls the House Rules. Mr. Jones can write whatever rules he = wants, it's his deal. The IMCA is our deal. It was a bigger deal than = joining a chat room in that we all joined en masse upon review and after = team construction/approval of it's policies.=20 Now I see the emergence of a single moderator adding, as he sees fit, = any policy he wants without consent of the members of the organization. = If this was a decision of the board then I stand corrected, and still = protest the decision. The truth, meteorite distribution is a predominately testosterone = driven ego challenge, dealers don't always get along. Our list is never = the right place for this but it usually goes away. Very few ever get = kicked off or even put on probation, and here Arnold is singled out even = after his post was prematurely deleted.=20 As much as I dread the daily ads, I think Arnold should be left to do = as he does. Remember how pissed we got at Mohammad, Steve Arnold From = Chicago is mild by comparison.=20 Leave the IMCA to meteorites, not politics and remember that there is = a board to decide such matters. Yes, the IMCA list is not a place for = flame wars, or sales pitches, that's clear, but Jesus Rhett...do you = read every post before sending it along or were you singling out Arnold = well before that to have blasted his posts before they could ever be = seen? Matteo, sorry you were offended, but deal with it. Rhett, take it down = a notch. Steve, just....oh...do what you have to do. The ink has worn = off my delete key. We're eight months in on the IMCA and it seems to be working, Rhett's = contribution is appreciated, lets not revert back to bickering, = martyrdom and chaos but instead keep it simple, protect buyers when = possible and inform the public as we have been doing. -- Rob Wesel # 9275 ------------------ We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: magellon=20 To: Meteorite-List_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] THANKS Rhett,=20 I am even more confused? Steve said "pisano" in a private e-mail = that Matteo made public...=20 Then Steve admits his mistake to you privately, and you then teach = him a lesson by putting him on=20 "probation"? Does he still receive posts from the IMCA group site? = Or did you stop those?=20 If he admitted he was mad and wrong, why punish him?=20 He's not racist - He was just being mad and wrong.=20 Rhett, I may not know the whole story but I know this was between = two people.=20 Why are you bringing the IMCA into this?=20 To establish "peace" is NOT a good reason.=20 The IMCA is for the authenticity of meteorites "period".=20 Are things more peaceful now?=20 You know as well as anyone that people get mad and say things they = should not.=20 First, it is up to the two individuals to try to straighten things = out on their own.=20 It saddens me that you say you would do it again.=20 Rhett, this appears not be a matter of racism but more an excuse=20 to push someone around you admittedly don't like.=20 No? Just substitute any other big dealer in Steve's place.=20 If Mike Farmer (not picking on you Mike :>) had said this to Matteo, = would you have reacted the same way?=20 If you answer "yes," then why haven't you in the past?=20 You can not force people to be nice but they can learn from your = good example.=20 You have kindly and privately reproved me when I broke IMCA rules.=20 So, I know you can create a harmonious environment when you try = without changing the path of IMCA.=20 I could not understand from your comment if the board had any say so = in the new change to IMCA or not?=20 It sounded as if you did it on your own.=20 Does the board no longer make these type of policy changing = decisions?=20 Please don't start talking about quitting like you did before.=20 We all appreciate your past achievements.=20 But, If you are serious (which I doubt), I will be glad accept the = position. (thank you)=20 Best case scenario, I would share it with Jake Delgato or another = member)=20 Thanks,=20 Ken Newton=20 How fights get started=20 #9632=20 ___________________________________________________________________ Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing = list Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com = http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C24077.C6A3BAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well I have been out of circulation for = about 2=20 weeks or so give or take.. and I have no idea what is going on. But = Rhett I hope=20 you are not going to quit. What is International Non Racist meteor = whatzit? And anyway... I think peeps are confusing race with=20 ethnicity. when you get down to it.. there are 3 colors of = peeps....=20 Yellow.. the Orientals that have a mixture of melanin and carotene=20 pigmentation. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>White ( albino ) no pigmentation = and Black..=20 differing degrees of melanin content...In this group most of us=20 fall </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Caucasians.. Arabic..Blacks.. Indian ( = native=20 Americans)Hispanics, etc.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just a thought.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rosie</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dmeteorites_at_space.com=20 href=3D"mailto:meteorites_at_space.com">meteorites@space.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3DNakhladog_at_attbi.com=20 href=3D"mailto:Nakhladog_at_attbi.com">Nakhladog@attbi.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A = title=3Dmagellon_at_earthlink.net=20 href=3D"mailto:magellon_at_earthlink.net">magellon@earthlink.net</A> ; <A = title=3DMeteorite-List_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:Meteorite-List_at_meteoritecentral.com">Meteorite-List@meteor= itecentral.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 10, 2002 = 12:50=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] = IMCA not=20 INRMCA</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Ditto, Rob.. Steve Schoner #4470 On Thu, 25 July 2002, = "Rob=20 Wesel" wrote: <BR> <HR SIZE=3D1> <P> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> <DIV bgColor=3D"#ffffff"> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am afraid I am going to have to = chime in with=20 Ken and others here. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The International Non-Racist = Meteorite Collectors=20 Association needs to be at a separate URL, it really has nothing to do = with=20 the foundation of this organization. Just because the word=20 <EM>international</EM> is included doesn't mean we all have to get=20 along. I love Matteo, but his posts bug me, same with = Arnold, and=20 now Rhett.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lists have rules, that's fine because = they are=20 usually owned by one person who calls the House Rules. Mr. Jones can = write=20 whatever rules he wants, it's his deal. The IMCA is our deal. It was a = bigger=20 deal than joining a chat room in that we all joined en masse upon = review=20 and after team construction/approval of it's policies. = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now I see the emergence of a single = moderator=20 adding, as he sees fit, any policy he wants without consent of the = members of=20 the organization. If this was a decision of the board then I stand = corrected,=20 and still protest the decision.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The truth, meteorite distribution is = a=20 predominately testosterone driven ego challenge, dealers don't always = get=20 along. Our list is never the right place for this but it usually goes = away.=20 Very few ever get kicked off or even put on probation, and here Arnold = is=20 singled out even after his post was prematurely deleted. = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As much as I dread the daily ads, I = think Arnold=20 should be left to do as he does. Remember how pissed we got at = Mohammad, Steve=20 Arnold From Chicago is mild by comparison. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Leave the IMCA to meteorites, not = politics and=20 remember that there is a board to decide such matters. Yes, the IMCA = list is=20 not a place for flame wars, or sales pitches, that's clear, but Jesus=20 Rhett...do you read every post before sending it along or were you = singling=20 out Arnold well before that to have blasted his posts before they = could ever=20 be seen?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Matteo, sorry you were offended, but = deal with=20 it. Rhett, take it down a notch. Steve, just....oh...do what you have = to do.=20 The ink has worn off my delete key.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We're eight months in on the = IMCA and it=20 seems to be working, Rhett's contribution is appreciated, lets not = revert back=20 to bickering, martyrdom and chaos but instead keep it simple, = protect=20 buyers when possible and inform the public as we have been=20 doing.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>--<BR>Rob Wesel #=20 9275<BR>------------------<BR>We are the music makers...and we are the = dreamers of the dreams.<BR>Willy Wonka, 1971</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dmagellon_at_earthlink.net=20 = href=3D"http://mail.space.com/mail/compose?to=3Dmagellon_at_earthlink.net">m= agellon</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3DMeteorite-List_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 = href=3D"http://mail.space.com/mail/compose?to=3DMeteorite-List_at_meteoritec= entral.com">Meteorite-List_at_meteoritecentral.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 25, 2002 = 5:05=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] = THANKS</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Rhett, <BR>I am even more confused? Steve said = "pisano" in a=20 private e-mail that Matteo made public... <BR>Then Steve admits his = mistake=20 to you privately, and you then teach him a lesson by =20 putting him on <BR>"probation"? Does he still receive posts = from the=20 IMCA group site? Or did you stop those? <BR>If he admitted he was = mad and=20 wrong, why punish him? <BR>He's not racist - He was just being mad = and=20 wrong.=20 <P>Rhett, I may not know the whole story but I know this was between = two=20 people. <BR>Why are you bringing the IMCA into this? <BR>To = establish=20 "peace" is NOT a good reason. <BR>The IMCA is for the authenticity = of=20 meteorites "period". <BR>Are things more peaceful now? <BR>You know = as well=20 as anyone that people get mad and say things they should not.=20 <BR>First, it is up to the two individuals to try to straighten = things out=20 on their own. <BR>It saddens me that you say you would do it again.=20 <BR>Rhett, this appears not be a matter of racism but more an excuse = <BR>to=20 push someone around you admittedly don't like. <BR>No? Just = substitute=20 any other big dealer in Steve's place. <BR>If Mike Farmer (not = picking on=20 you Mike :>) had said this to Matteo, <BR> would you have = reacted=20 the same way? <BR>If you answer "yes," then why haven't you in the = past?=20 <P>You can not force people to be nice but they can learn from your = good=20 example. <BR>You have kindly and privately reproved me when I broke = IMCA=20 rules. <BR>So, I know you can create a harmonious environment when = you try=20 without changing the path of IMCA.=20 <P>I could not understand from your comment if the board had any say = so in=20 the new change to IMCA or not? <BR>It sounded as if you did it on = your own.=20 <BR>Does the board no longer make these type of policy changing = decisions?=20 <P>Please don't start talking about quitting like you did before. = <BR>We all=20 appreciate your past achievements. <BR>But, <B>If you are = serious</B> (which=20 I doubt), <B>I will be glad accept the position</B>. (thank = you)=20 <BR>Best case scenario, I would share it with Jake Delgato or = another=20 member)=20 <P>Thanks, <BR>Ken Newton <BR> <A=20 = href=3D"http://www.bay-town.com/members/magellon/toon/nutnbitch.jpg">How = fights get started</A> <BR>#9632 </P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> = <P><PRE><PRE>____________________________________________________________= _______ Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at = http://www.space.com.</PRE></PRE>________________________________________= ______=20 Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 = http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list</BLOCKQUOTE></BOD= Y></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C24077.C6A3BAA0-- Received on Sat 10 Aug 2002 03:11:09 PM PDT |
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