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From: Michael Cottingham <mikewren_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:42:03 2004
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From: Michael Cottingham=20
To: mikewren_at_gilanet.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 1:58 PM
Subject: Meteorite Fraud...A good story....

Hello Everyone,

Check this out!

When I was in Morocco buying meteorites there was
an interesting event that occured. One day in Erfoud,
Morocco my partner (Mike Farmer) and I went to a
man's house to check out his collection of meteorites.

Our guide kept telling us that he had a cool new iron
meteorite and that we should see it. Well.....he showed
us his iron and Farmer and I looked at each other, we looked at the iron =
again......and it took us both about
2 seconds to realize we were looking at an old rusty
Campo del Cielo from Argentina. Even though they
had been telling us it was from the Sahara....THERE
WAS NO DOUBT that we were looking at a Campo.

We were pissed off and we told them if they ever
tried that again we would not be buying any thing from them.
They just laughed and laughed. They got caught!

We went to another house about an hour later and
sure enough the same damn thing happened again!
This time the old man in the house pulled out
a box and in this box was a rusty, rusty old NANTAN!

Twice in one day! =20

We traced all these meteorites back to a fossil dealer
who comes to Tucson every year. These irons, which
were not Sahara Irons were most likely bought in Tucson
and transported back to Morocco to sell as Sahara Irons.

Now that is the opposite of what everyone is talking about!

What saved us from being caught up in a scam was our knowledge base.
Both Farmer and myself have seen hundreds of kilos of Campo's and
Nantan's. We were not suckered into this because we had known
what we were looking at.

I don't have a ready answer about the possible fraud that can take
place with a possible relocation of the NWA meteorites.

But it seems to me THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE MADE THE NON LOCATION
OF NWA METEORITES SUCH AN ISSUE HAVE CREATED THIS IN THE
FIRST PLACE.

I mean you whine about NWA Meteorites because they don't have a location =
and then
you worry about the fact that someone might want to give them one. YOU =
HAVE
CREATED THIS. If you would just accept the fact that these NWA =
Meteorites exist
without known locations and give them the credibility that they deserve, =
THEN
maybe you might not loose so much sleep about people giving them a known =
location.

IT IS A FACT! YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE IT. NWA METEORITES DO NOT
HAVE A KNOWN LOCATION. THE MOROCCAN's and others will have hundreds of
kilos for sale in Tucson. There are hundreds of more kilos in Morocco =
and you will
never DOCUMENT ALL. NEVER.

Now if you just accept this fact that they (NWA) meteorites don't have =
locations then
maybe you can avert a problem before it even begins. Stop sprouting so =
much hate
against a single group of meteorites and maybe people will never even =
think or
relocating them. =20

I mean some of you folks take this whole issue way, way too serious. =20

Those who get caught relocating these meteorites will pay a high and =
dear price.
Do not worry about that. When caught......I say when, because they will =
get
caught. There are many people who have the experience to detect such =
events
and there is no way they really could get away with it .....for long!

Just accept the fact that NWA meteorites exist without known location =
and maybe,
just maybe, everyone else will too and the coming and going of these =
meteorites
will be legitimate enough, so that people will not be driven to consider =
relocating
them because somehow they feel that as NWA meteorites...they are not =
good
enough!

You know, I thought I would never live to see the day when MOROCCAN'S =
would=20
relocate meteorites from other parts of the world to their own =
country!!!!!

Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham

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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Dmikewren_at_gilanet.com =
href=3D"mailto:mikewren_at_gilanet.com">Michael=20
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href=3D"mailto:mikewren_at_gilanet.com">mikewren@gilanet.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 24, 2001 1:58 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Meteorite Fraud...A good story....</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Everyone,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Check this out!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When I was in Morocco buying meteorites =
there=20
was</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>an interesting event that =
occured.  One day in=20
Erfoud,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Morocco my partner (Mike Farmer) and I =
went to=20
a</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>man's house to check out his collection =
of=20
meteorites.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Our guide kept telling us that he had a =
cool new=20
iron</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>meteorite and that we should see it. =
Well.....he=20
showed</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>us his iron and Farmer and I looked at =
each other,=20
we looked at the iron again......and it took us both about</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2 seconds to realize we were looking at =
an old=20
rusty</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Campo del Cielo from Argentina.  =
Even though=20
they</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>had been telling us it was from the=20
Sahara....THERE</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WAS NO DOUBT that we were looking at a=20
Campo.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We were pissed off and we told them if =
they=20
ever</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>tried that again we would not be buying =
any=20
thing from them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>They just laughed and laughed.  =
They got=20
caught!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We went to another house about an hour =
later=20
and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sure enough the same damn thing =
happened=20
again!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This time the old man in the house =
pulled=20
out</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a box and in this box was a rusty, =
rusty old=20
NANTAN!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Twice in one day!  </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We traced all these meteorites back to =
a fossil=20
dealer</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>who comes to Tucson every year.  =
These irons,=20
 which</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>were not Sahara Irons were most likely =
bought in=20
Tucson</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and transported back to Morocco to sell =
as Sahara=20
Irons.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now that is the opposite of what =
everyone is=20
talking about!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What saved us from being caught up in a =
scam was=20
our knowledge base.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Both Farmer and myself have seen =
hundreds of kilos=20
of Campo's and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nantan's.  We were not suckered =
into this=20
because we had known</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>what we were looking at.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't have a ready answer about the =
possible=20
fraud that can take</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>place with a possible relocation of the =
NWA=20
meteorites.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But it seems to me THOSE OF YOU WHO =
HAVE MADE THE=20
NON LOCATION</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>OF NWA METEORITES SUCH AN ISSUE HAVE =
CREATED THIS=20
IN THE<BR>FIRST PLACE.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I mean you whine about NWA Meteorites =
because they=20
don't have a location and then</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>you worry about the fact that someone =
might want to=20
give them one.  YOU HAVE</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>CREATED THIS.  If  you would =
just accept=20
the fact that these NWA Meteorites exist</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>without known locations and give them =
the=20
credibility that they deserve,  THEN</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>maybe you might not loose so much sleep =
about=20
people giving them a known location.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>IT IS A FACT!   YOU ARE NOT =
GOING TO=20
CHANGE IT.  NWA METEORITES DO NOT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>HAVE A KNOWN LOCATION.  THE =
MOROCCAN's and=20
others will have hundreds of</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>kilos for sale in Tucson.  There =
are hundreds=20
of more kilos in Morocco and you will</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>never DOCUMENT ALL.  =
NEVER.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now if you just accept this fact that =
they (NWA)=20
meteorites don't have locations then</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>maybe you can avert a problem before it =
even=20
begins.  Stop sprouting so much hate</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>against a single group of meteorites =
and maybe=20
people will never even think or</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>relocating them.  </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I mean some of you folks take this =
whole issue=20
way, way too serious.  </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Those who get caught relocating these =
meteorites=20
will pay a high and dear price.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Do not worry about that. When =
caught......I say=20
when, because they will get</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>caught.  There are many people who =
have the=20
experience to detect such events</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and there is no way they really could =
get away with=20
it .....for long!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just accept the fact that NWA =
meteorites exist=20
without known location and maybe,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>just maybe, everyone else will too and =
the coming=20
and going of these meteorites</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>will be legitimate enough, so that =
people will not=20
be driven to consider relocating</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>them because somehow they feel that as =
NWA=20
meteorites...they are not good</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>enough!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You know, I thought I would never live =
to see the=20
day when MOROCCAN'S would </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>relocate meteorites from other parts of =
the world=20
to their own country!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best Wishes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Michael Cottingham</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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