[meteorite-list] AD - Not All Lunar Meteorites Are Equal

From: Gmail <mendy.ouzillou_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 10:19:07 -0500
Message-ID: <EC415FE3-BA44-4E57-A365-952116D99608_at_gmail.com>

David,

Museums are not likely to want to test meteorites for authenticity for many reasons. First and foremost, doing so takes time away from research and classification of new material. Secondly, differentiating between two meteorites of the same classification is difficult if not impossible in some cases. If you just want to know if it is a meteorite and not terrestrial, there are people/companies that will perform that kind of work.

Buying from trusted dealers is really important because sometimes that bargain may end up costing you much more than you may realize.

Mendy Ouzillou

On Sep 7, 2017, at 2:13 AM, David Tann via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Thanks, Mike, I'd go even further in saying sadly 99% of the "meteorites" circulating freely in and from China are terrestrial rocks! The real Nantan meteorites in private collection are extremely rare, a total of around 40 kg. There is also a rarer type of meteorites intertwined with and inserted into earth rocks indicating high impact crushing/explosion. I'm happy to be proven wrong but as I said I have reasonable cause to believe my source to be reliable and genuine, although it's going to take me sometime to completely verify and document both types. I would naturally like to have the samples tested. I was hoping you guys would be able to test and analyse the composition of the samples for me, but I'll probably approach the Natural History Museum.

Best,

David
Sent from my iPhone

> On 6 Sep 2017, at 20:47, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com> wrote:
>
> David. Sorry but I do mineral shows in china. Everyone has a nice stamped paper from one Chinese government source or another. Actually your piece certainly looks like Nantan meteorite. Sadly Nantan is nearly worthless.
>
> Michael Farmer
>
>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:55 AM, David Tann <dbtann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Mike & Adam, for your valuable comments which I fully understand and much appreciate. Fake meteorites and scandalous traders were indeed acknowledged as a big problem in China, much like elsewhere.
>>
>> I do however have reasonable confidence in the authenticity of the meteorites as they were from no ordinary tom dick and harry but a trusted and reliable source with high level connections in China; and they had been assessed by professionals and academic experts from the Chinese Academy of Sciences as genuine.
>>
>> However, I'd like to have these and a great deal more independently tested and verified in the UK. Could you advise on how to go about that please?
>>
>> Thank you in advance, your help is much appreciated.
>>
>> David
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 6 Sep 2017, at 16:52, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> People are suckers and if they want to buy crap then let them. In china most people want cheap. Well real good meteorites aren't cheap. So they buy fakes and are happy with low prices.
>>> Michael Farmer
>>>
>>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It reminds me of the China Syndrome when hundreds of terrestrial stones were sold to collectors as meteorites on eBay. Anything that was dark and rounded including iron ore was sold to unsuspecting collectors as meteorites fleecing them out of thousands of dollars. Some of them even included old looking collection ID cards.
>>>>
>>>> Link to China Syndrome:
>>>> http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=114
>>>>
>>>> It was just a matter of time before fraud spread into all sectors of meteorite collecting. First it affected irons, then Pallasites, then falls, then Martians and now Lunar material. The worst part is some dealers are using the IMCA's good name to distribute untested, unproven and in some cases fake material completely bypassing protections put in place by following Meteoritical Society protocols which IMCA members are supposed to adhere to.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/6/2017 7:03 AM, Michael Farmer wrote:
>>>>> That's worth about $50
>>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 1:36 AM, David Tann <dbtann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gents,
>>>>>> <image1.JPG>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This 2800g IAB Nantan Meteorite was discovered in 1958 in Nantan, Guanxi, Southwest China. The fall was observed and clearly recorded in Chinese historical literature, it happened on 7 June 1516 over an 8 km length of area. Anyone interested please get in touch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>> 07771888566
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5 Sep 2017, at 17:54, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree fully. Great time to buy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just like Martians were a few years ago when the self-pairing and piggy-backing reached an all time high at around 2012/NWA 7000. And before that, it was falls when some less than honest dealers were substituting NWA material in place of the real thing. I remember Claxton, which I acquired from Michael Blood later selling for less than a $100.00 gram due to a lack in collector confidence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No meteorite is immune from less than honest business practices. Many
>>>>>>>> collectors will not touch anything that post dates 2012 and are very leery of falls.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the bright side. There is no better time to purchase genuine lunar material with good provenance and laboratory confirmation since the price is sure to go up just like the Martians that were dumped a few years ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2017 8:30 AM, Michael Farmer wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You are pissing in the wind. Lunars are about worthless now. Moroccans have dropped the price to less than that of eucrites. I want just in Morocco. I saw kilos and kilos is lunar.
>>>>>>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
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