[meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientificor Educational Institutions...

From: John Lutzon <*jl_at_meteoritecentral.com*> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 16:32:59 -0400 Message-ID: <60C2532F2E1740ED9F37013C3919C202_at_Home> · jl_at_meteoritecentral.com

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On 6/7/15, Peter Richards <pedrichards at gmail.com> wrote:
> Mike, I think your approach is great for novices. I know that not only 
> you but many professional meteoricists have your "hardline", barely 
> logical, if so, preconceived, "paper form" reply, when, of course, it 
> is an odd inheritor of the mantle of people who once said meteorites 
> did not even exist, which I believe Geoff Notkin has reported included 
> the heads of the Catholic church at one point historically. I get that 
> scientists, like you seem to me to, might prefer to discredit the 
> possibility than be honest, yet, again, it is what it is. My previous 
> statements are what they are. You can call them what you want, at the 
> behest of yourself or your friends or whoever motivates you to do what 
> you do. Of course, oddly enough, you seemingly disingenuous people are 
> leaning into this, and seem prepared to throw your all at me in such a 
> muckracking match, in lieu of the professionals. Really, I have some 
> emails from them, so it is the same. You all are what you are, the 
> rock is what it is (as previously described), and I am what I am, and 
> maybe I should have not been provoked by your message, and ignored it, 
> but, I have already written this and the "send" button is in sight, so 
> do not fight. I know how great you all are. I have explained what you 
> are doing. I don't know why. It does protect your financial interests, 
> and my writing the truth, and not being cowed by past "infidelities"
> is my attempt to protect my own.
> cordially,
> Peter
> P.S. There are no granite meteorites recognized/officially-known and 
> would it not be bizarre if some people had a bias towards wanting it 
> to stay that way?
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks 
> <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> It's hard to tell from the photos, but I do not see any outward signs
>> that would suggest these rocks might be meteorites.   I do not see any
>> fusion crust, and what I do see is probably desert varnish.  Desert 
>> varnish forms on all rocks, not just meteorites.
>>
>> Have you done a streak test or specific gravity test? These are both 
>> low-tech tests that anybody can use to narrow down the range of 
>> possibilities.  If the rocks fails the streak test, it's not a 
>> meteorite.  If the rock has a specific gravity that falls outside the 
>> range for stony meteorites, then it's not a meteorite.
>>
>> You will find that most "accredited" institutions that work with 
>> meteorites do not accept unsolicited samples because of the sheer 
>> volume of rocks clogging the system waiting for analysis.
>>
>> My advice is to use the streak and specific gravity tests to help 
>> rule in/out the possibility of the stones being meteoritic or
terrestrial.
>> If the rocks pass these tests, then try cutting a window into one of 
>> them and see if there are any chondrules or metal flecks.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
>> PS - there are no granite meteorites, so if the rock is "granite" 
>> then it is not a meteorite.
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>> On 6/7/15, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list 
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Michael, no, but I will pass the Actlabs information on to any 
>>> representatives of accredited institutions who inquire. The stone is 
>>> a granite, and the photos may not tell the story of the crust 
>>> glaringly, but it is apparently what is there, for those of us (me 
>>> only right
>>> now) who have the privilege of holding the stone. Thank you for the 
>>> "bump" anyway, although, of course, I am wondering what your 
>>> intentions were. Anyway, again, you use official scale cubes, and 
>>> these animal sculptures are all I have right now, but I understand 
>>> that it is less than fully ideal, and, again, this is not a 
>>> commercial sale, so to Mr. Farmer's defence, he is not lowering the 
>>> price for some associate of his to buy. Yes, I am a real person and 
>>> an American citizen, and the rock is as it was described, and I am 
>>> sorry that some people want to tell me it is what sort of terrestrial
rock by chance?
>>> God knows. Keep looking if interested, and I will try to improve the 
>>> photos, but there is perhaps adequate visual information already.
>>> regards,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Michael Farmer 
>>> <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> What kind of Nigerian scam attempt is this email? Trying to sell 
>>>> garbage trinkets?
>>>> A,asking what makes it on the list these days.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list 
>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> To whom it may concern, I am offering this link, for the benefit 
>>>>> of representatives of accredited educational and scientific 
>>>>> institutions, displaying a stone which an Actlabs (of Lancaster, 
>>>>> Ontario) report has identified to me as a granite, which, is 
>>>>> almost definitely meteoritic, which I say due to the distinct 
>>>>> coating, and its shape, given that I have not shaped or coated 
>>>>> this stone and that these traits appear in no way artificial. I 
>>>>> can only guess what value to anyone denying that this could be a 
>>>>> meteorite is, but I will have to preclude such proclamations by 
>>>>> reminding people that, unless I have truly missed something, there 
>>>>> is less evidence to support such a claim than there is to support my
above-made claim.
>>>>> Here is a link to a photo album, please see first photo 
>>>>> (sculptures are for scale reference, btw):
>>>>> http://www.ipernity.com/doc/312101/album/793480
>>>>> I am gauging interest alone here, I do not suppose this counts as 
>>>>> an ad, for the purposes are less than commercial although I, of 
>>>>> course, would like to determine if it is legal for any grants, or 
>>>>> such things, to be given by any willing recipients of any material 
>>>>> I make available, to me, as a token of gratitude, to compensate 
>>>>> for my exertions while acquiring this, and to help me better 
>>>>> conserve what I have collected, in case there is indeed scientific 
>>>>> value belonging to this collection of mine, and, it is ultimately 
>>>>> up to Art whether or not this counts as an advertisement technically
speaking.
>>>>> Promptness will be much appreciated and rewarded where possible.
>>>>> Once more, this is for accredited educational or scientific 
>>>>> institutions. I will hear of interest from outside the U.S., but 
>>>>> the state department's approval will be needed before anything is 
>>>>> provided to such institutions, as according to law.
>>>>> Thank you and kindest regards to all, Peter E. D. Richards 
>>>>> currently of Chicago, IL 
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