[meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientific or Educational Institutions...

From: cdtucson at cox.net <*cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com*> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 15:41:01 -0400 Message-ID: <20150607154101.H3E1X.96516.root_at_fed1rmwml105> · cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com

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---- Peter Richards via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote: 
> I agree, John. It was there. Read it all carefully please, everyone,
> and we need not continue it one bit, imo.
> kind regards,
> Peter
> 
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:28 PM, John Lutzon <jl at lutzon.com> wrote:
> >
> > This thread needs to end.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Richards via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > To: "Bob King" <nightsky55 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 2:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientific or Educational Institutions...
> >
> >
> > I need not be cautioned. There are plenty of liars, or, otherwise,
> > misinformed persons in the world, feasibly, and that is about as
> > scientific a truth as one can get. All your various claims about metal
> > flecks, scratch tests being necessary are plainly fallacious, hence
> > your conclusions based on my improper procedure for not following them
> > is as well. I am sure you all are confident that, at least, for
> > contesting this, even if you are plainly being disingenuous, plainly
> > acting the fools, or tricksters, levaraging your age, knowledge, or
> > experience, to misinform people. It is fine. I know what was done to
> > Steve Curry, and I know, a freemason grocer I know who is a piece of
> > _, as it so happens, might like to inform me that what was done to
> > Curry will be done to me, as he informs me about his taste for sweet
> > potatoes flavoured with Curry (that grocer's name is Michael Garvin
> > and he is a person who displays his bigotry on this shoulder).
> > kind regards and thank you for the insult Michael Farmer, yes I do
> > love the Nigerians but I am not them and when you define "scam" you
> > will see that "metal flecks" and suggesting a granite meteorite is
> > impossible, and the need for scratch tests and specific gravity tests
> > clearly equates with such, you bully
> > later,
> > Peter
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Bob King <nightsky55 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Peter,
> >> I think MikeG. wrote a very kind reply trying to help you out. And
> >> he's correct, there are no granite meteorites. You would do well to
> >> follow his advice. My own opinion is that you have some low resolution
> >> photos of rusty rocks which I'm doubtful are meteorites. You'll need
> >> to shoot higher resolution images under better (try outdoors) lighting
> >> for anyone to make a possible confirmation. Your best bet is to grind
> >> off an edge of one of them with coarse sandpaper or a diamond file to
> >> see inside. If you find silvery, metallic flecks - NOT mineral
> >> crystals - scattered about the rock's matrix then let us know.
> >> In the meantime I would caution you against taking up the martyr of
> >> truth vs. scientific establishment approach.
> >> Regards,
> >> Bob
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list
> >> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> >>> Mike, I think your approach is great for novices. I know that not only
> >>> you but many professional meteoricists have your "hardline", barely
> >>> logical, if so, preconceived, "paper form" reply, when, of course, it
> >>> is an odd inheritor of the mantle of people who once said meteorites
> >>> did not even exist, which I believe Geoff Notkin has reported included
> >>> the heads of the Catholic church at one point historically. I get that
> >>> scientists, like you seem to me to, might prefer to discredit the
> >>> possibility than be honest, yet, again, it is what it is. My previous
> >>> statements are what they are. You can call them what you want, at the
> >>> behest of yourself or your friends or whoever motivates you to do what
> >>> you do. Of course, oddly enough, you seemingly disingenuous people are
> >>> leaning into this, and seem prepared to throw your all at me in such a
> >>> muckracking match, in lieu of the professionals. Really, I have some
> >>> emails from them, so it is the same. You all are what you are, the
> >>> rock is what it is (as previously described), and I am what I am, and
> >>> maybe I should have not been provoked by your message, and ignored it,
> >>> but, I have already written this and the "send" button is in sight, so
> >>> do not fight. I know how great you all are. I have explained what you
> >>> are doing. I don't know why. It does protect your financial interests,
> >>> and my writing the truth, and not being cowed by past "infidelities"
> >>> is my attempt to protect my own.
> >>> cordially,
> >>> Peter
> >>> P.S. There are no granite meteorites recognized/officially-known and
> >>> would it not be bizarre if some people had a bias towards wanting it
> >>> to stay that way?
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
> >>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Hi Peter,
> >>>>
> >>>> It's hard to tell from the photos, but I do not see any outward signs
> >>>> that would suggest these rocks might be meteorites.   I do not see any
> >>>> fusion crust, and what I do see is probably desert varnish.  Desert
> >>>> varnish forms on all rocks, not just meteorites.
> >>>>
> >>>> Have you done a streak test or specific gravity test? These are both
> >>>> low-tech tests that anybody can use to narrow down the range of
> >>>> possibilities.  If the rocks fails the streak test, it's not a
> >>>> meteorite.  If the rock has a specific gravity that falls outside the
> >>>> range for stony meteorites, then it's not a meteorite.
> >>>>
> >>>> You will find that most "accredited" institutions that work with
> >>>> meteorites do not accept unsolicited samples because of the sheer
> >>>> volume of rocks clogging the system waiting for analysis.
> >>>>
> >>>> My advice is to use the streak and specific gravity tests to help rule
> >>>> in/out the possibility of the stones being meteoritic or terrestrial.
> >>>> If the rocks pass these tests, then try cutting a window into one of
> >>>> them and see if there are any chondrules or metal flecks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> MikeG
> >>>>
> >>>> PS - there are no granite meteorites, so if the rock is "granite" then
> >>>> it is not a meteorite.
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> On 6/7/15, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list
> >>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Hello Michael, no, but I will pass the Actlabs information on to any
> >>>>> representatives of accredited institutions who inquire. The stone is a
> >>>>> granite, and the photos may not tell the story of the crust glaringly,
> >>>>> but it is apparently what is there, for those of us (me only right
> >>>>> now) who have the privilege of holding the stone. Thank you for the
> >>>>> "bump" anyway, although, of course, I am wondering what your
> >>>>> intentions were. Anyway, again, you use official scale cubes, and
> >>>>> these animal sculptures are all I have right now, but I understand
> >>>>> that it is less than fully ideal, and, again, this is not a commercial
> >>>>> sale, so to Mr. Farmer's defence, he is not lowering the price for
> >>>>> some associate of his to buy. Yes, I am a real person and an American
> >>>>> citizen, and the rock is as it was described, and I am sorry that some
> >>>>> people want to tell me it is what sort of terrestrial rock by chance?
> >>>>> God knows. Keep looking if interested, and I will try to improve the
> >>>>> photos, but there is perhaps adequate visual information already.
> >>>>> regards,
> >>>>> Peter
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> What kind of Nigerian scam attempt is this email? Trying to sell garbage
> >>>>>> trinkets?
> >>>>>> A,asking what makes it on the list these days.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list
> >>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> To whom it may concern, I am offering this link, for the benefit of
> >>>>>>> representatives of accredited educational and scientific institutions,
> >>>>>>> displaying a stone which an Actlabs (of Lancaster, Ontario) report has
> >>>>>>> identified to me as a granite, which, is almost definitely meteoritic,
> >>>>>>> which I say due to the distinct coating, and its shape, given that I
> >>>>>>> have not shaped or coated this stone and that these traits appear in
> >>>>>>> no way artificial. I can only guess what value to anyone denying that
> >>>>>>> this could be a meteorite is, but I will have to preclude such
> >>>>>>> proclamations by reminding people that, unless I have truly missed
> >>>>>>> something, there is less evidence to support such a claim than there
> >>>>>>> is to support my above-made claim.
> >>>>>>> Here is a link to a photo album, please see first photo (sculptures
> >>>>>>> are for scale reference, btw):
> >>>>>>> http://www.ipernity.com/doc/312101/album/793480
> >>>>>>> I am gauging interest alone here, I do not suppose this counts as an
> >>>>>>> ad, for the purposes are less than commercial although I, of course,
> >>>>>>> would like to determine if it is legal for any grants, or such things,
> >>>>>>> to be given by any willing recipients of any material I make
> >>>>>>> available, to me, as a token of gratitude, to compensate for my
> >>>>>>> exertions while acquiring this, and to help me better conserve what I
> >>>>>>> have collected, in case there is indeed scientific value belonging to
> >>>>>>> this collection of mine, and, it is ultimately up to Art whether or
> >>>>>>> not this counts as an advertisement technically speaking.
> >>>>>>> Promptness will be much appreciated and rewarded where possible.
> >>>>>>> Once more, this is for accredited educational or scientific
> >>>>>>> institutions. I will hear of interest from outside the U.S., but the
> >>>>>>> state department's approval will be needed before anything is provided
> >>>>>>> to such institutions, as according to law.
> >>>>>>> Thank you and kindest regards to all,
> >>>>>>> Peter E. D. Richards
> >>>>>>> currently of Chicago, IL
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