[meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientific or Educational Institutions...

From: Peter Richards <pedrichards_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 13:32:28 -0500
Message-ID: <CAENymwDM4u_z8g0YyQEeo8z86o9FQBdrQg5BfsvZEsaOR0LsQQ_at_mail.gmail.com>

I agree, John. It was there. Read it all carefully please, everyone,
and we need not continue it one bit, imo.
kind regards,
Peter

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:28 PM, John Lutzon <jl at lutzon.com> wrote:
>
> This thread needs to end.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Richards via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> To: "Bob King" <nightsky55 at gmail.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientific or Educational Institutions...
>
>
> I need not be cautioned. There are plenty of liars, or, otherwise,
> misinformed persons in the world, feasibly, and that is about as
> scientific a truth as one can get. All your various claims about metal
> flecks, scratch tests being necessary are plainly fallacious, hence
> your conclusions based on my improper procedure for not following them
> is as well. I am sure you all are confident that, at least, for
> contesting this, even if you are plainly being disingenuous, plainly
> acting the fools, or tricksters, levaraging your age, knowledge, or
> experience, to misinform people. It is fine. I know what was done to
> Steve Curry, and I know, a freemason grocer I know who is a piece of
> _, as it so happens, might like to inform me that what was done to
> Curry will be done to me, as he informs me about his taste for sweet
> potatoes flavoured with Curry (that grocer's name is Michael Garvin
> and he is a person who displays his bigotry on this shoulder).
> kind regards and thank you for the insult Michael Farmer, yes I do
> love the Nigerians but I am not them and when you define "scam" you
> will see that "metal flecks" and suggesting a granite meteorite is
> impossible, and the need for scratch tests and specific gravity tests
> clearly equates with such, you bully
> later,
> Peter
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Bob King <nightsky55 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Peter,
>> I think MikeG. wrote a very kind reply trying to help you out. And
>> he's correct, there are no granite meteorites. You would do well to
>> follow his advice. My own opinion is that you have some low resolution
>> photos of rusty rocks which I'm doubtful are meteorites. You'll need
>> to shoot higher resolution images under better (try outdoors) lighting
>> for anyone to make a possible confirmation. Your best bet is to grind
>> off an edge of one of them with coarse sandpaper or a diamond file to
>> see inside. If you find silvery, metallic flecks - NOT mineral
>> crystals - scattered about the rock's matrix then let us know.
>> In the meantime I would caution you against taking up the martyr of
>> truth vs. scientific establishment approach.
>> Regards,
>> Bob
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>> Mike, I think your approach is great for novices. I know that not only
>>> you but many professional meteoricists have your "hardline", barely
>>> logical, if so, preconceived, "paper form" reply, when, of course, it
>>> is an odd inheritor of the mantle of people who once said meteorites
>>> did not even exist, which I believe Geoff Notkin has reported included
>>> the heads of the Catholic church at one point historically. I get that
>>> scientists, like you seem to me to, might prefer to discredit the
>>> possibility than be honest, yet, again, it is what it is. My previous
>>> statements are what they are. You can call them what you want, at the
>>> behest of yourself or your friends or whoever motivates you to do what
>>> you do. Of course, oddly enough, you seemingly disingenuous people are
>>> leaning into this, and seem prepared to throw your all at me in such a
>>> muckracking match, in lieu of the professionals. Really, I have some
>>> emails from them, so it is the same. You all are what you are, the
>>> rock is what it is (as previously described), and I am what I am, and
>>> maybe I should have not been provoked by your message, and ignored it,
>>> but, I have already written this and the "send" button is in sight, so
>>> do not fight. I know how great you all are. I have explained what you
>>> are doing. I don't know why. It does protect your financial interests,
>>> and my writing the truth, and not being cowed by past "infidelities"
>>> is my attempt to protect my own.
>>> cordially,
>>> Peter
>>> P.S. There are no granite meteorites recognized/officially-known and
>>> would it not be bizarre if some people had a bias towards wanting it
>>> to stay that way?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
>>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>
>>>> It's hard to tell from the photos, but I do not see any outward signs
>>>> that would suggest these rocks might be meteorites. I do not see any
>>>> fusion crust, and what I do see is probably desert varnish. Desert
>>>> varnish forms on all rocks, not just meteorites.
>>>>
>>>> Have you done a streak test or specific gravity test? These are both
>>>> low-tech tests that anybody can use to narrow down the range of
>>>> possibilities. If the rocks fails the streak test, it's not a
>>>> meteorite. If the rock has a specific gravity that falls outside the
>>>> range for stony meteorites, then it's not a meteorite.
>>>>
>>>> You will find that most "accredited" institutions that work with
>>>> meteorites do not accept unsolicited samples because of the sheer
>>>> volume of rocks clogging the system waiting for analysis.
>>>>
>>>> My advice is to use the streak and specific gravity tests to help rule
>>>> in/out the possibility of the stones being meteoritic or terrestrial.
>>>> If the rocks pass these tests, then try cutting a window into one of
>>>> them and see if there are any chondrules or metal flecks.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> MikeG
>>>>
>>>> PS - there are no granite meteorites, so if the rock is "granite" then
>>>> it is not a meteorite.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On 6/7/15, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list
>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Michael, no, but I will pass the Actlabs information on to any
>>>>> representatives of accredited institutions who inquire. The stone is a
>>>>> granite, and the photos may not tell the story of the crust glaringly,
>>>>> but it is apparently what is there, for those of us (me only right
>>>>> now) who have the privilege of holding the stone. Thank you for the
>>>>> "bump" anyway, although, of course, I am wondering what your
>>>>> intentions were. Anyway, again, you use official scale cubes, and
>>>>> these animal sculptures are all I have right now, but I understand
>>>>> that it is less than fully ideal, and, again, this is not a commercial
>>>>> sale, so to Mr. Farmer's defence, he is not lowering the price for
>>>>> some associate of his to buy. Yes, I am a real person and an American
>>>>> citizen, and the rock is as it was described, and I am sorry that some
>>>>> people want to tell me it is what sort of terrestrial rock by chance?
>>>>> God knows. Keep looking if interested, and I will try to improve the
>>>>> photos, but there is perhaps adequate visual information already.
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> What kind of Nigerian scam attempt is this email? Trying to sell garbage
>>>>>> trinkets?
>>>>>> A,asking what makes it on the list these days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list
>>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To whom it may concern, I am offering this link, for the benefit of
>>>>>>> representatives of accredited educational and scientific institutions,
>>>>>>> displaying a stone which an Actlabs (of Lancaster, Ontario) report has
>>>>>>> identified to me as a granite, which, is almost definitely meteoritic,
>>>>>>> which I say due to the distinct coating, and its shape, given that I
>>>>>>> have not shaped or coated this stone and that these traits appear in
>>>>>>> no way artificial. I can only guess what value to anyone denying that
>>>>>>> this could be a meteorite is, but I will have to preclude such
>>>>>>> proclamations by reminding people that, unless I have truly missed
>>>>>>> something, there is less evidence to support such a claim than there
>>>>>>> is to support my above-made claim.
>>>>>>> Here is a link to a photo album, please see first photo (sculptures
>>>>>>> are for scale reference, btw):
>>>>>>> http://www.ipernity.com/doc/312101/album/793480
>>>>>>> I am gauging interest alone here, I do not suppose this counts as an
>>>>>>> ad, for the purposes are less than commercial although I, of course,
>>>>>>> would like to determine if it is legal for any grants, or such things,
>>>>>>> to be given by any willing recipients of any material I make
>>>>>>> available, to me, as a token of gratitude, to compensate for my
>>>>>>> exertions while acquiring this, and to help me better conserve what I
>>>>>>> have collected, in case there is indeed scientific value belonging to
>>>>>>> this collection of mine, and, it is ultimately up to Art whether or
>>>>>>> not this counts as an advertisement technically speaking.
>>>>>>> Promptness will be much appreciated and rewarded where possible.
>>>>>>> Once more, this is for accredited educational or scientific
>>>>>>> institutions. I will hear of interest from outside the U.S., but the
>>>>>>> state department's approval will be needed before anything is provided
>>>>>>> to such institutions, as according to law.
>>>>>>> Thank you and kindest regards to all,
>>>>>>> Peter E. D. Richards
>>>>>>> currently of Chicago, IL
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