[meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientific or Educational Institutions...

From: John Lutzon <jl_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 14:28:09 -0400
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This thread needs to end.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Richards via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
To: "Bob King" <nightsky55 at gmail.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientific or Educational Institutions...


I need not be cautioned. There are plenty of liars, or, otherwise,
misinformed persons in the world, feasibly, and that is about as
scientific a truth as one can get. All your various claims about metal
flecks, scratch tests being necessary are plainly fallacious, hence
your conclusions based on my improper procedure for not following them
is as well. I am sure you all are confident that, at least, for
contesting this, even if you are plainly being disingenuous, plainly
acting the fools, or tricksters, levaraging your age, knowledge, or
experience, to misinform people. It is fine. I know what was done to
Steve Curry, and I know, a freemason grocer I know who is a piece of
_, as it so happens, might like to inform me that what was done to
Curry will be done to me, as he informs me about his taste for sweet
potatoes flavoured with Curry (that grocer's name is Michael Garvin
and he is a person who displays his bigotry on this shoulder).
kind regards and thank you for the insult Michael Farmer, yes I do
love the Nigerians but I am not them and when you define "scam" you
will see that "metal flecks" and suggesting a granite meteorite is
impossible, and the need for scratch tests and specific gravity tests
clearly equates with such, you bully
later,
Peter

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Bob King <nightsky55 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter,
> I think MikeG. wrote a very kind reply trying to help you out. And
> he's correct, there are no granite meteorites. You would do well to
> follow his advice. My own opinion is that you have some low resolution
> photos of rusty rocks which I'm doubtful are meteorites. You'll need
> to shoot higher resolution images under better (try outdoors) lighting
> for anyone to make a possible confirmation. Your best bet is to grind
> off an edge of one of them with coarse sandpaper or a diamond file to
> see inside. If you find silvery, metallic flecks - NOT mineral
> crystals - scattered about the rock's matrix then let us know.
> In the meantime I would caution you against taking up the martyr of
> truth vs. scientific establishment approach.
> Regards,
> Bob
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> Mike, I think your approach is great for novices. I know that not only
>> you but many professional meteoricists have your "hardline", barely
>> logical, if so, preconceived, "paper form" reply, when, of course, it
>> is an odd inheritor of the mantle of people who once said meteorites
>> did not even exist, which I believe Geoff Notkin has reported included
>> the heads of the Catholic church at one point historically. I get that
>> scientists, like you seem to me to, might prefer to discredit the
>> possibility than be honest, yet, again, it is what it is. My previous
>> statements are what they are. You can call them what you want, at the
>> behest of yourself or your friends or whoever motivates you to do what
>> you do. Of course, oddly enough, you seemingly disingenuous people are
>> leaning into this, and seem prepared to throw your all at me in such a
>> muckracking match, in lieu of the professionals. Really, I have some
>> emails from them, so it is the same. You all are what you are, the
>> rock is what it is (as previously described), and I am what I am, and
>> maybe I should have not been provoked by your message, and ignored it,
>> but, I have already written this and the "send" button is in sight, so
>> do not fight. I know how great you all are. I have explained what you
>> are doing. I don't know why. It does protect your financial interests,
>> and my writing the truth, and not being cowed by past "infidelities"
>> is my attempt to protect my own.
>> cordially,
>> Peter
>> P.S. There are no granite meteorites recognized/officially-known and
>> would it not be bizarre if some people had a bias towards wanting it
>> to stay that way?
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Peter,
>>>
>>> It's hard to tell from the photos, but I do not see any outward signs
>>> that would suggest these rocks might be meteorites. I do not see any
>>> fusion crust, and what I do see is probably desert varnish. Desert
>>> varnish forms on all rocks, not just meteorites.
>>>
>>> Have you done a streak test or specific gravity test? These are both
>>> low-tech tests that anybody can use to narrow down the range of
>>> possibilities. If the rocks fails the streak test, it's not a
>>> meteorite. If the rock has a specific gravity that falls outside the
>>> range for stony meteorites, then it's not a meteorite.
>>>
>>> You will find that most "accredited" institutions that work with
>>> meteorites do not accept unsolicited samples because of the sheer
>>> volume of rocks clogging the system waiting for analysis.
>>>
>>> My advice is to use the streak and specific gravity tests to help rule
>>> in/out the possibility of the stones being meteoritic or terrestrial.
>>> If the rocks pass these tests, then try cutting a window into one of
>>> them and see if there are any chondrules or metal flecks.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> MikeG
>>>
>>> PS - there are no granite meteorites, so if the rock is "granite" then
>>> it is not a meteorite.
>>>
>>> --
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com
>>> Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
>>> Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
>>> Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> On 6/7/15, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Michael, no, but I will pass the Actlabs information on to any
>>>> representatives of accredited institutions who inquire. The stone is a
>>>> granite, and the photos may not tell the story of the crust glaringly,
>>>> but it is apparently what is there, for those of us (me only right
>>>> now) who have the privilege of holding the stone. Thank you for the
>>>> "bump" anyway, although, of course, I am wondering what your
>>>> intentions were. Anyway, again, you use official scale cubes, and
>>>> these animal sculptures are all I have right now, but I understand
>>>> that it is less than fully ideal, and, again, this is not a commercial
>>>> sale, so to Mr. Farmer's defence, he is not lowering the price for
>>>> some associate of his to buy. Yes, I am a real person and an American
>>>> citizen, and the rock is as it was described, and I am sorry that some
>>>> people want to tell me it is what sort of terrestrial rock by chance?
>>>> God knows. Keep looking if interested, and I will try to improve the
>>>> photos, but there is perhaps adequate visual information already.
>>>> regards,
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> What kind of Nigerian scam attempt is this email? Trying to sell garbage
>>>>> trinkets?
>>>>> A,asking what makes it on the list these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list
>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To whom it may concern, I am offering this link, for the benefit of
>>>>>> representatives of accredited educational and scientific institutions,
>>>>>> displaying a stone which an Actlabs (of Lancaster, Ontario) report has
>>>>>> identified to me as a granite, which, is almost definitely meteoritic,
>>>>>> which I say due to the distinct coating, and its shape, given that I
>>>>>> have not shaped or coated this stone and that these traits appear in
>>>>>> no way artificial. I can only guess what value to anyone denying that
>>>>>> this could be a meteorite is, but I will have to preclude such
>>>>>> proclamations by reminding people that, unless I have truly missed
>>>>>> something, there is less evidence to support such a claim than there
>>>>>> is to support my above-made claim.
>>>>>> Here is a link to a photo album, please see first photo (sculptures
>>>>>> are for scale reference, btw):
>>>>>> http://www.ipernity.com/doc/312101/album/793480
>>>>>> I am gauging interest alone here, I do not suppose this counts as an
>>>>>> ad, for the purposes are less than commercial although I, of course,
>>>>>> would like to determine if it is legal for any grants, or such things,
>>>>>> to be given by any willing recipients of any material I make
>>>>>> available, to me, as a token of gratitude, to compensate for my
>>>>>> exertions while acquiring this, and to help me better conserve what I
>>>>>> have collected, in case there is indeed scientific value belonging to
>>>>>> this collection of mine, and, it is ultimately up to Art whether or
>>>>>> not this counts as an advertisement technically speaking.
>>>>>> Promptness will be much appreciated and rewarded where possible.
>>>>>> Once more, this is for accredited educational or scientific
>>>>>> institutions. I will hear of interest from outside the U.S., but the
>>>>>> state department's approval will be needed before anything is provided
>>>>>> to such institutions, as according to law.
>>>>>> Thank you and kindest regards to all,
>>>>>> Peter E. D. Richards
>>>>>> currently of Chicago, IL
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