[meteorite-list] good or bad behvior and honnor

From: Michael Farmer <mike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 10:23:02 -0700
Message-ID: <7ACFB453-3E65-4CFE-9168-A0C6F3930059_at_meteoriteguy.com>

The people you are mentioning are the ones buying the rock.
Very confused as to who is robbing who.
Who is the thief?

Michael Farmer

> On Oct 4, 2014, at 3:17 AM, rachid chaoui via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Members List
> as you maybe saw in meteorite list and also in IMCA list many days
> ago, that there was an lunar Meteorite weigh 1345g was Stolen actually and I
> asked all friends to do not buy it since am the one who bought this
> piece ,the important questions here is: who stolen me? and why he did
> that? here is the story...
>
> Most of you know that it was an 5800g Lunar available here in Morocco,
> for sale for a long time and since the asking price was crazy and not
> acceptable ,i contacted my friends who know very well the owners and
> tried to convince him that the piece worth less than they ask and
> finally we come to an agreement due to the efforts of my friends ,we
> make appointment for payment and deliration in this time i contacted
> my friend who is in US for informed him that the deal is closed with
> the owner ,few hours after my client contacted me in order to tell me
> that he is felling not comfortable since HABIBI AZIZ contacted him
> saying the stone is his at this time i feel that something is wrong
> happening i contacted my friends in Gulmim to tell them the last news
> and if the owner still in his words about the deal, but
> unfortunately after some calls they told me that AZIZ HABIBI offer
> to them more than my offer and they sell the piece to HIM!!! so the
> same game again from the same guy !!!! I called AZIZ Habibi to tell
> him that it is bad behavior to offer more than my offer after
> closing deal and for to be candied his reply was polite . I send
> email to my client to informed him that the piece is with Habibi AZIZ
> and he should continue the deal with him and am not angry at all.
> From here the problems START since Habib AZIZ informed my friend in
> Gulmim who was the intermediate between me and the owner of this 5800g
> lunar that"" i was the seller of this piece and i got a very large
> margin from this deal and i should give him his part and all
> conversations
> between me and intermediate its just a games "" my friend became keep a
> major grudge of me and he wait just an opportunity for revenge .He
> offered me this 1345g lunar ,he sent me sample and i sent to Dr Tony
> Irving Who confirmed it as a Feldspatic Breecia we make appointment
> for payment and deliration I drove to Guilmim to get the Stone, I
> gave the Money to the Person with whom I dealed and I knew him very
> well because I dealed with him many times. The Person get the money
> and he drove to the Camp of the Nomad to bring the stone. I stayed in
> Guilmim waiting for him, He told me that it's 2 hours driving. After 5
> hours waiting , I tried to reach him but no way, I thought it's a
> Problem of the Network. I went to his house, his Family don't know
> nothing about him , but when I Met his Brother , his behavior was too
> Strange which Pushed me to think that something really bad happen with the
> Stone , I stayed in Guilmim trying the whole Day and Night to reach
> him . I passed the most stressful day in my life with my brother who
> was with me . In Saturday morning, I called another person who has a
> Car 4/4 in order to search in the desert I thought maybe something
> happened with the car , we don't know where we search but I couldn't
> stay any more calling so we just drove in the desert , suddenly I was
> surprised that his phone is reachable. He Told me that the Money are
> safe and he just found the nomad quit their Place and he tried to
> reach them. i was little Bit reassured when I heard his voice. After
> half an hour , I tried to reach him again but no way , in Saturday
> Afternoon , he called me, He Told me : '' I got 1345g Lunar instead
> of 5800g Lunar ' I didn't understand nothing , at the same time I
> didn't know what to do. I contacted some of the dealers in Guilmim
> about what happened, and they told me that he believe that I Sold the
> 5800g Lunar and Not Habibi Aziz. , and he thought that I got money
> and didn't give him his part .
> I called AZIZ Habibi and i was very very nervous with him, Honestly he
> told me that he will help me to get the stone ,i called all dealers
> Moroccan friends Aid Mohamed ,Ali Oulmaleh ,Sbai Mohamed who was in
> Denver show and Adam Aaronson ....etc in order to ask them that they
> shouldn't buy this piece since it is stolen, few days AZIZ Habibi called
> me to informed me that the piece is still available and it is with the
> finder and the thief did not buy it , i was surprised when Habibi
> send me pics of the piece and he told me that someone send them to
> him month ago via WATTS AP but he did not take care to them because
> he thought its just terrestrial rock I told him that i should buy this
> piece and he said again that he will help me since he know the OWNERS.
> He make appointment with the owner in Agadir. I came to Agadir and
> AZIZ told me that the owner said that the piece is sold but he will
> try since he is sure that the piece is still available and all what
> owner said is not accurate in the same day Aid Mohamed Called me and
> he told me that someone offer to him this piece and i asked him to try
> close deal with them and am ready to pay for get the stone ,Aid drove
> about 1000Km from Marakech to Laayoune he meet the owner, saw the
> piece and close the deal and he called me that its over and we just
> wait until Monday for get money from the bank and pay them I was very
> happy and i drove from Agadir to Laayoune in this week end for be
> ready to pay the piece without delay in Monday. At 8h30 o'clock we get
> the money from the bank Aid go to the owner and we were surprised
> ,the owner said that the piece is sold by his son and its in transit
> to Agadir to AZIZ Habibi who offer to them 30000$ more than mine and
> really i was at a very bad situation ,i called Aziz and aware him that
> is i bad behavior and he must have no mercy since he know that i
> was stolen and i need this piece urgently he told me again that he
> just do that for me and he want to help and i should come to Agadir
> for pay the owners and he already signed a contract with owners and all
> is find ,i feel better and i drove from laayoun to Agadir again(649KM)
> for meet the owners and pay him, when i arrived, Aziz said that the two
> owners did not bring the piece with them so i should pay to them an
> advance wish is 20000MAD and i should back to Laayoune Again (other
> 649KM) for get the stone and i did, and he received 20000MAD for give
> it to the owners wish i lost until this time ,i back to Laayoune
> from Agadir and Aziz told me that he will send me the cell phone
> number of the owner by SMS for meet him in Laayoune. when i arrived i tried
> to call AZIZ a few times but no reply i was afraid i sent him few
> emails then he send me an cell phone number of someone when i call him
> he told me that he don't know who I am or who is AZIZ Habibi, urgently i
> asked my brother to drive back and maybe someone want to betray us the
> second time. we was afraid because we had a large cash in car.i was
> really stressed and i became very pessimistic .after a long attempts
> AZIZ and his partner get the piece and they offer it again to my
> client with no mercy and they send me email to informed me that piece is
> sold and they will give me a gift wish is 12000$ !!??what a
> generosity??? so where is your help here Aziz? the end of story
> showed that all was a games in order of greedy and loving the MONEY.
> man!! remind this words every time ""if you
> can betray some people sometimes you can not betray all people all the
> time"
>
> Thanks to all who help us and stand for us even with good words
> thanks to Darryl Pitt, Dr Tony Irving, Gary Fujihara, Aid Mohamed,
> Tomek Jakubowski, Jason Utas, Dave Ghessling, Greg Hup?, Ali Oulmaleh,
> Said Hddany, Kai Ke, Adam Aaronson ....thank you so much to you all
> and others here, peace be with you .
> All the best
>
> 2014-10-04 2:10 GMT+02:00 rachid chaoui <chaouirachid81 at gmail.com>:
>> Aziz if you have somthing you want telling me please share it here ,why you
>> sent me a private SMS?
>> Its time of the truth.right?
>>
>> Le 4 oct. 2014 00:22, "Aziz habibi" <azizhabibi at yahoo.com> a ?crit :
>>
>>> Go ahead its ? good start
>>> Remembre honore and th? truth
>>>
>>> Envoy? de mon iPhone
>>>
>>> Le 4 oct. 2014 ? 00:10, rachid chaoui <chaouirachid81 at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>>>
>>> Okay Aziz
>>> I will start from the 5800g lunar story wish is the original source of the
>>> probleme and everyone should know who is Rachid and who is Aziz
>>> More details in seperate email...
>>>
>>> Le 3 oct. 2014 21:26, "habibi abdelaziz" <azizhabibi at yahoo.com> a ?crit :
>>>>
>>>> hello all; rachid. darryl
>>>>
>>>> rachid , been honorable and honest is not telling story's on the list or
>>>> to dealers; but acting honorable and doing the right thing when u have to,
>>>>
>>>> i have been doing meteorite and sales 15 years; and i have been honorable
>>>> and honest,
>>>>
>>>> so it has been long time; i avoid to talk this kind of story's on the
>>>> list; but as u brought me in this and i was just helping you ,and other
>>>> friends, i see u are ungrateful and u dis-inform realty and fact into
>>>> story's........
>>>>
>>>> i give you a last chance to be still honorable by telling the list
>>>> members the all story and the the fact the reality; not perception or what
>>>> you think:
>>>>
>>>> after that if you forget your ego and tell the truth and try to be
>>>> honorable i will let it go;
>>>>
>>>> if not,, you will see me telling the list member all the story myself
>>>> and it will hurt;
>>>>
>>>> from a to z;
>>>>
>>>> and remember all what a man has is his name and honor and i will not let
>>>> anyone make my name dirty i have been fighting for my name long time
>>>>
>>>> now time to the truth;
>>>>
>>>> what is this game u are talking about, and now tell us the all
>>>> story............................................................
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sincerly
>>>>
>>>> aziz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Hello freinds
>>>>
>>>> All what Aid Mohamed descrive about this story is right ,what i should
>>>> clear is that was not last Week end it was two week end a go.
>>>>
>>>> unfrontunatel we wanted to over this bad story as soon as possible but as
>>>> Mohamed said the Bad Behavior of Habibi let the story to be long a bit
>>>>
>>>> All the best.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> habibi aziz
>>>> box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco
>>>> phone. 21235576145
>>>> fax.21235576170
>
>
>
> --
> Rachid Chaoui
> IMCA # 4157
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Received on Sat 04 Oct 2014 01:23:02 PM PDT