[meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

From: Richard Montgomery <rickmont_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 11:15:13 -0800
Message-ID: <EF7BBB0E4A2D42098A3122A395C5BF4A_at_bosoheadPC>

Carl, Karen, Jim, Michael et all....is the oriented iron (Mike's) simply an
isolated portion of a larger mass's metal bleebs? I can't understand how
without silicates the iron can be associated, but that's because I'm not up
to date. Help....?
Richard Montgoemry

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
To: "Carl Agee" <agee at unm.edu>
Cc: "meteoritelist meteoritelist" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>;
"Jim Wooddell" <jim.wooddell at suddenlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official


>I am not arguing with Laurence, the photos of the thin sections, the oxygen
>isotope data seems clear.
> I am simply showing there is a little more going on with Katol than common
> (l6).
> You can examine the piece in Tucson when you come down for the show.
> I think you'll like it.
> Michael Farmer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Carl Agee <agee at unm.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Given the wide range of lithologies we are hearing about, all I am
>> saying it might be interesting to test the multiple lithologies and
>> confirm what you are saying. I am not suggesting anything about
>> multiple bodies or not, I don't have an opinion. I am simply
>> describing how you could provide geochem evidence to form a well
>> supported hypothesis. By the way, Laurence's BSE's on FB are
>> unequivocal L6 -- nice equilibrated chondrules!
>>
>> Carl
>> *************************************
>> Carl B. Agee
>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
>> MSC03 2050
>> University of New Mexico
>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>>
>> Tel: (505) 750-7172
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>>
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Carl, you you suggesting this might be from different fall? I was there
>>> less than two weeks after the fall. I bought pieces as they were being
>>> found right in front of us. When we showed up with cash the whole
>>> village ran around picking up stones in 52 degree C (120f) heat. There
>>> were stones everywhere including on the street. No one cared until we
>>> came with money. We found one stone ourselves. Nearly every villager had
>>> stones. It is dead center India, among the poorest places on earth. I
>>> saw 5 iron only pieces and numerous partial iron and partial stone
>>> pieces.
>>> Whatever Katol is, (L6), it has large iron chunks inside and some become
>>> complete individuals during the fall.
>>> I really would like I clarify that this piece is Katol, I was there as
>>> it was found, we bought it seconds after the finder picked it up from
>>> beside his house. Can we please accept that this is Katol, not another
>>> meteorite!
>>> Michael Farmer
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Carl Agee <agee at unm.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi MikeG and All:
>>>>
>>>> The iron might be from L6 if it turns out that the few silicates in it
>>>> (olivine and pyroxenes) have L6 geochem. You see that in the H-metal
>>>> from Yucca. Of course large metal masses are probably not as commonly
>>>> associated with L. Also if you had oxygen isotopes of the silicate
>>>> inclusions from the iron or for that matter oxygen isotopes of the
>>>> lithologies that seem to be more like achondrite, you could start to
>>>> sort out if it is all from the same meteoroid.
>>>>
>>>> Carl Agee
>>>> *************************************
>>>> Carl B. Agee
>>>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
>>>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
>>>> MSC03 2050
>>>> University of New Mexico
>>>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>>>>
>>>> Tel: (505) 750-7172
>>>> Fax: (505) 277-3577
>>>> Email: agee at unm.edu
>>>> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
>>>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Mike and List,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike, and the behalf of countless others, I hope we hear that story
>>>>> one day. I imagine it must have been pretty bad for you to say it was
>>>>> a "little scary".
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a predominance of stony lithologies, but Mike's iron is
>>>>> obviously not an L6 chondrite. So what do we call a mass like Mike's
>>>>> superb iron shield? Do we refer to his specimen as " Katol (L6)" or
>>>>> do we refer to it as something else? Does Katol have some similarity
>>>>> with Almahata Sitta, in the sense that stones with different
>>>>> lithologies (and classifications) shared the same strewnfield?
>>>>>
>>>>> So, a majority of hand specimens show a curious lithology that is
>>>>> granular, shocked, and originating from the L-chondrite group. Has
>>>>> anyone tried to plot the affinities from the specimens like Mike's
>>>>> that don't match the majority lithology? I'd be curious if they also
>>>>> fit into the L-chondrite group, or, if they were xenoliths hitching a
>>>>> ride in the Katol rubble-pile.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good stuff. It's about time that Katol gets some serious attention.
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> MikeG
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/1/14, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, this piece is oriented heat shield shaped with countless flow
>>>>>> lines and
>>>>>> bubbles on the thick backside crust. There are a couple of
>>>>>> crystal-rich
>>>>>> sections. It is one of my favorite pieces in my collection, the
>>>>>> adventure to
>>>>>> acquire was a little scary.
>>>>>> Laurence Garvie has taken many photos of it, I am sure he has
>>>>>> incredible
>>>>>> photos I haven't seen. This photo was the only one I got.
>>>>>> The piece is still at ASU on loan, it will be on display at the
>>>>>> Tucson
>>>>>> show.
>>>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Carl Agee <agee at unm.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, of course, this the metal-rich piece?
>>>>>>> *************************************
>>>>>>> Carl B. Agee
>>>>>>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
>>>>>>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
>>>>>>> MSC03 2050
>>>>>>> University of New Mexico
>>>>>>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tel: (505) 750-7172
>>>>>>> Fax: (505) 277-3577
>>>>>>> Email: agee at unm.edu
>>>>>>> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Michael Farmer
>>>>>>>> <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> No chondrules.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Graham Ensor <graham.ensor at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it is almost totally nickel iron and the marks are flow
>>>>>>>>> lines
>>>>>>>>> and small impact pits similar to those you find on Sikhote Alin...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Carl Agee <agee at unm.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Or perhaps the sphericals are vesiculation of fusion crust? I
>>>>>>>>>> agree
>>>>>>>>>> with Jim, it would be nice to see some BSE images.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Carl
>>>>>>>>>> *************************************
>>>>>>>>>> Carl B. Agee
>>>>>>>>>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
>>>>>>>>>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
>>>>>>>>>> MSC03 2050
>>>>>>>>>> University of New Mexico
>>>>>>>>>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tel: (505) 750-7172
>>>>>>>>>> Fax: (505) 277-3577
>>>>>>>>>> Email: agee at unm.edu
>>>>>>>>>> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Carl Agee <agee at unm.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Beautiful oriented and flow lines! I assume all the circular and
>>>>>>>>>>> spherical shapes are chondrules peeking through the fusion
>>>>>>>>>>> crust?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing Mike!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Carl
>>>>>>>>>>> *************************************
>>>>>>>>>>> Carl B. Agee
>>>>>>>>>>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
>>>>>>>>>>> MSC03 2050
>>>>>>>>>>> University of New Mexico
>>>>>>>>>>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: (505) 750-7172
>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: (505) 277-3577
>>>>>>>>>>> Email: agee at unm.edu
>>>>>>>>>>> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Jim Wooddell
>>>>>>>>>>> <jim.wooddell at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Jeff!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Would love to see a polished window image as well as some BSE
>>>>>>>>>>>> images
>>>>>>>>>>>> now!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe Laurence or whoever has them can share!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If this thing is going to have a paper published we may have to
>>>>>>>>>>>> wait!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/1/2014 11:35 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike's photo in posted in the database now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/1/2014 1:19 PM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Wooddell
>>>>>>>>>>>> jim.wooddell at suddenlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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