[meteorite-list] Fraud from Portugal?

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:19:35 -0800
Message-ID: <CABEOBjJD0zn9T=SskerMFSRDK5-SQ7SiXTzu7MuKrSuLisU50Q_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
In all fairness, that Ourique does look ~ok. H-chondrites with
similar regolith textures are around, but not common, and those pieces
look fresh enough.

The Chaves does look a bit funny, but it's also very small. If the
seller says the specimen came from Corey, I'd double-check with Corey.
 If you check the Meteoritical Bulletin page's photos, you'll see at
least one piece that was sold by Jorge Gon?alves, and which appears to
be an L5 chondrite. I'd be worried, but Corey should know what he
sold.

Regards,
Jason

www.fallsandfinds.com


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I will provide the provenance at the time of sale. Micheal, I will let the seller know that you think he is a scammer even though his reputation is excellent and he considers you a friend. For all I know, you probably provided him with the piece. That is the problem with falls, a few bad apples have ruined it for the rest of us by introducing doubt into the market.
>
>
> The meteorite fall bubble burst a few years ago and non-fall bubble a long time before that. It took me years to unload my North American find inventory, most of which came from TCU and I was lucky to break even. I was barely getting a dollar a gram for the material even though its provenance was spotless.
>
> I enjoy meteorites and still contribute to the community any chance I get. If I need some write-offs, I will be sure to flood the market.
>
> Best Wishes and Good Luck to all those selling at the Tucson Show.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fraud from Portugal?
>
> Well there you go, less than 20 kg recovered and thus clearly a fraud.
> Please identify the scammer for us all.
> Michael Farmer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> I bought a chunk for $1.12/gram from a reputable dealer on eBay over two years ago according to my notes. Maybe I got a break but he states that 20 kilograms was claimed but there is well over 40 kilograms available.
>>
>>
>> In any case, I do not collect falls partly because there is a lot of fraud and switches going on.
>>
>> Adam
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>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dennis Miller <astroroks at hotmail.com>
>> To: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>> Cc: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>; Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 7:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fraud from Portugal?
>>
>> Blood auctions: 2007 $10.00/gm
>> 2010 $22.75/gm
>> Dennis
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 8:33 AM, "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ourique has never sold for $1 gram, unless fake.
>>>
>>> Michael Farmer
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> He is crazy asking $1,800.00 for a piece of Ourique, a very common H4 which normally sales for $1.00 /gram the last time some was put up on eBay.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Mendy Ouzillou <ouzillou at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: Met-List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 9:07 AM
>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Fraud from Portugal?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a feeling that the fraudster from Portugal may be at it again. He is listing under the name "nrscc" and has some rare items for sale. No provenance, few details, ...
>>>>
>>>> Let me know your thoughts so we can stop this if in fact a fraud.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/nrscc/m.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mendy Ouzillou
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