[meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite

From: Pict <pict_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 20:40:38 +0500
Message-ID: <CE5A743B.1E2B6%pict_at_pict.co.uk>

Never mind the meteorite inside, a Spartan funerary urn sounds pretty
unusual...

<quote>The one exception among the Greek cities was Sparta. Plutarch (c.
46-120) tells us that this militaristic culture had no issues with burying
their dead in the city among the living. Excavations confirm Plutarch?s
statement, as archeologists have discovered the graves of citizens next to
the wall of a house in at least one Spartan village (600 BC). The Spartans
treated most of their dead the same by wrapping them in a red robe with
olive leaves and burying them without any sort of artifacts or headstones.
The lack of markers has made it difficult to find Spartan graves.</quote>

Source: http://www.scottmanning.com/content/spartan-burial-practices/

I certainly wouldn't be hiring that guy for any job involving glue or
jigsaws.

John

On 14/09/2013 06:04, "wahlperry at aol.com" <wahlperry at aol.com> wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>This looks like something Proud Tom would have done! I agree with Jason
>that the pottery looks mismatched. It is hard to tell but I would bet
>the stone is not even a meteorite. I doubt that many Archeologists
>would glue a pot together this way. I was not able to pull up any
>history online (from a couple reliable sources) on his name either. It
>seems if he lives in Phoenix that he would be well aware of ASU and
>UofA as sources of information.
>
>Sonny
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
>To: Anne Black <impactika at aol.com>
>Cc: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Fri, Sep 13, 2013 12:24 am
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite
>
>
>Hello Roman, All,I'm no expert, but...The vertical view of the vessel
>is triangular because the potteryfragments of the lower portion came
> from a much larger vessel --probably a bowl or two-handled vessel of
>some sort, given its apparentdiameter and the thickness of some of the
>fragments. The glazed anddelicately-formed lip and neck appear to be
> from a completelydifferent vase -- a nice one, at that. The handle is
>a bit odd, notsure about it.The first question that came to mind after
>seeing the images is "Whywould anyone glue pieces of a large pot
>together in the form of a muchsmaller one?"Upon closer inspection, I
>began to wonder why an archaeologist wouldglue mismatched pieces of
>glass or glazed pottery, painted and scoredterracotta, and other
>ceramics of greatly differing thicknessestogether into a triangular
>shape that (crudely) mimics an amphora'sshape...albeit with one
>handle.I'm surprised that anyone carbon-dated the site, given that
>thepottery and details of other artifacts are often deemed suitable
>fordating purposes.I had too many questions after reading the provided
>description.Sure, pass the fellow along to an expert...JasonOn Thu, Sep
>12, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Anne Black <impactika at aol.com> wrote:> Hello
>Roman,>> It is really quite simple.> Since he is in Phoenix AZ, he
>should go straight to Arizona State University> (ASU) they have an
>archaeology department and some of the top meteorite> experts.> Perfect
>place to get answers to all his questions.>>> Anne M. Black>
>www.IMPACTIKA.com> IMPACTIKA at aol.com>>>> -----Original Message----->
> From: Roman Jirasek <rj at meteoritelabels.com>> To: meteorite-list
><meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>> Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:00 pm>
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite>>> I had an
>archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and also> if I
>could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he found this>
>year.>> I received permission to send this question to my fellow
>colleagues which> may> have more insight into this topic. Read below,
>or click on link to see his> photos...>
>http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm>> Cheers,> Roman Jirasek>
>www.meteoritelabels.com>> Copied email follows....>> I am an
>Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private> property
>in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient vase,> and
>was buried with human remains. We dated this site to approximately,
>220> BCE to 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item.>> I do not
>know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece. Since the>
>meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it was held in
>high> regards, and more than likely to remember a battle.>> The only
>battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the battle;> was
>with ancient Turkey and the Spartans.>> It actually stopped the battle
>for two days, thinking it was a sign from the> gods. Many of the
>Spartans recovered portions of the meteorite is a sign of> victory from
>the God of Mars.>> I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you
>tell me? Of any> meteorites that fell prior to 220 BCE, since we know
>that was the earliest> date, since the meteorites was buried with the
>hoplite soldier. We assume> the meteorite obviously fell before that
>date.>> This would help us, with dating the find.>> Additionally what
>would the selling price be if it were to be sold. The> meteorite?>>
>Thank you>> Douglas Roth.> Phoenix, Arizona.> Sparta archaeology.>>
>Yes, it is fine to forward the info and pics.>> I don't have any dir
>links, but can be found, on face book for Douglas> Rothman Scottsdale,
>or ancient history on face book for archeology travel> and tours.>>
>Douglas Rothman.>>>>>> ______________________________________________>>
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