[meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite

From: wahlperry at aol.com <wahlperry_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 21:04:56 -0400 (EDT)
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Hi All,

This looks like something Proud Tom would have done! I agree with Jason
that the pottery looks mismatched. It is hard to tell but I would bet
the stone is not even a meteorite. I doubt that many Archeologists
would glue a pot together this way. I was not able to pull up any
history online (from a couple reliable sources) on his name either. It
seems if he lives in Phoenix that he would be well aware of ASU and
UofA as sources of information.

Sonny




-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
To: Anne Black <impactika at aol.com>
Cc: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 13, 2013 12:24 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite


Hello Roman, All,I'm no expert, but...The vertical view of the vessel
is triangular because the potteryfragments of the lower portion came
 from a much larger vessel --probably a bowl or two-handled vessel of
some sort, given its apparentdiameter and the thickness of some of the
fragments. The glazed anddelicately-formed lip and neck appear to be
 from a completelydifferent vase -- a nice one, at that. The handle is
a bit odd, notsure about it.The first question that came to mind after
seeing the images is "Whywould anyone glue pieces of a large pot
together in the form of a muchsmaller one?"Upon closer inspection, I
began to wonder why an archaeologist wouldglue mismatched pieces of
glass or glazed pottery, painted and scoredterracotta, and other
ceramics of greatly differing thicknessestogether into a triangular
shape that (crudely) mimics an amphora'sshape...albeit with one
handle.I'm surprised that anyone carbon-dated the site, given that
thepottery and details of other artifacts are often deemed suitable
fordating purposes.I had too many questions after reading the provided
description.Sure, pass the fellow along to an expert...JasonOn Thu, Sep
12, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Anne Black <impactika at aol.com> wrote:> Hello
Roman,>> It is really quite simple.> Since he is in Phoenix AZ, he
should go straight to Arizona State University> (ASU) they have an
archaeology department and some of the top meteorite> experts.> Perfect
place to get answers to all his questions.>>> Anne M. Black>
www.IMPACTIKA.com> IMPACTIKA at aol.com>>>> -----Original Message----->
 From: Roman Jirasek <rj at meteoritelabels.com>> To: meteorite-list
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>> Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:00 pm>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite>>> I had an
archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and also> if I
could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he found this>
year.>> I received permission to send this question to my fellow
colleagues which> may> have more insight into this topic. Read below,
or click on link to see his> photos...>
http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm>> Cheers,> Roman Jirasek>
www.meteoritelabels.com>> Copied email follows....>> I am an
Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private> property
in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient vase,> and
was buried with human remains. We dated this site to approximately,
220> BCE to 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item.>> I do not
know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece. Since the>
meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it was held in
high> regards, and more than likely to remember a battle.>> The only
battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the battle;> was
with ancient Turkey and the Spartans.>> It actually stopped the battle
for two days, thinking it was a sign from the> gods. Many of the
Spartans recovered portions of the meteorite is a sign of> victory from
the God of Mars.>> I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you
tell me? Of any> meteorites that fell prior to 220 BCE, since we know
that was the earliest> date, since the meteorites was buried with the
hoplite soldier. We assume> the meteorite obviously fell before that
date.>> This would help us, with dating the find.>> Additionally what
would the selling price be if it were to be sold. The> meteorite?>>
Thank you>> Douglas Roth.> Phoenix, Arizona.> Sparta archaeology.>>
Yes, it is fine to forward the info and pics.>> I don't have any dir
links, but can be found, on face book for Douglas> Rothman Scottsdale,
or ancient history on face book for archeology travel> and tours.>>
Douglas Rothman.>>>>>> ______________________________________________>>
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