[meteorite-list] OT NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 08:12:55 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <1380813175.67641.YahooMailNeo_at_web122004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

It has do with the way people live and what they can afford.? You brought politics into this conversation with your GOP statement. I have disdain for all politicians.? It is just some can fib better than others.

Some belive the price of meteories will drop and while others believe it will increase.? There are two views on every subject.? My belief is that we have the worst leadership in Washington imaginable.

I see a lot of meteorite dealers having a harder time making ends meet.

First we were hit with massive increase in postal rates and now this crap.


----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
Cc: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown

why is this continuing here? This is not a political list.
Time to stop.

Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:55 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Bernie Madoff was very popular when he was telling fibs that people liked to hear and look what happened to his investors.
> Hitler had the people behind him at one time and look what happened.
> This is not about who wins. We all lose in this case. There is nobody at the helm. You could say that the socialists lost congress. This does
> not mean a win for the American people. We all lose when candidates lie
> to the citizens they are suppose serve.? Obama promised that individuals would save an average of $2,500.00/year on their health insurance and
> many bought into this pure B.S.? I do not call a $6,000.00+/year
> increase a win for anybody!? Green Energy, What?? It sounded good to
> prospective voters at the time.
> Promise
> kids candy and carnival rides instead of broccoli, which is good for
> you, and you will get their vote!? Tell people what they want to hear
> and you can garner a lot of support until reality sets in.? This country
> was founded on hard work, not lies!
> In
> the end, these massive
> increases in cost will be passed onto collectors if they can spare
> anything after being fleeced out of every last dime in taxes.
> Adam
> ________________________________
> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> To: Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 7:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT NASA websites taken down for Government? ? shutdown
> That makes the most sense of anything I have read lately.
> Don't be a stranger around here Martin.? :)
> Best regards,
> MikeG
> PS - watch out, you run the risk of being called "socialist" by people
> who have no idea what that word actually means.? LOL.
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> On 10/3/13, Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> wrote:
>> Adam, a silent 12-minute view from outside...
>> To me, as far as I can judge at all, the causes of your crises over there
>> started much earlier.
>> As early as already in the Reagan era, when it started that the
>> middle-class
>> got bled.
>> And further, when the real industry was immolated on the altars of the
>> financial industry.
>> (Same happened in Europe in UK, under the Thatcherism). Consequently the
>> investments in the permanent innovation of the production and
>> infrastructure
>> were neglected and the money was carried to the horse-race and the bookies.
>> (You know, all the bursting bubbles like "new economy" etc.). So you have a
>> structural problem. In former times USA imported raw materials and primary
>> products and exported products, today it's vice versa.
>> Additionally you had a second problem, located more on the other end of the
>> political spectrum, that program every US-citizen in his own house (when
>> did
>> it start, under Carter?), where to each and every one credits were allowed
>> for acquiring real estate, without checking whether the people would ever
>> be
>> able to pay the credit back and that later-on the banks started to trade
>> with and to bet on these foul credits, resulting in the real estate &
>> banking crises.
>> (plus you have the huge gaps in the budget, caused by the last two
>> expensive
>> wars).
>> The other model would be for instance Germany, one of the very few
>> countries, which currently seems to get off still very lightly through the
>> crises (which is also in Europe the largest economical depression since
>> WWII) and is even profiting at the moment from the crises (later on we will
>> have to pay, as Germany guarantees for the national debts of other
>> EU-countries with a sum higher than its own national budget) because it has
>> a different structure.
>> Always ridiculed in times of the Big$$ for its poor financial industry and
>> the anaemic rate of the economic growth of +/-1% per annum, it lives mainly
>> from the production, hence from the "real" industries and the exportation
>> (#2 behind China). Despite the crises we have a decent growth of the GNP
>> and
>> even a bisection of the unemployment during the last 10 years - and that
>> all
>> with the severe problem of a strongly over-aging society, driving the dues
>> for social insurances like health care or old-age provisions in dizzy
>> heights.
>> Interesting is,that that stability is created mainly by mid-sized
>> enterprises and not so by the industrial giants. The latter run after the
>> shareholder value and calculate only for the quarterly statements,
>> abandoning any long-term-strategy.
>> They didn't create new jobs, but permanently make personnel reductions.
>> Furthermore they are heftily subsidized with tax money or by tax
>> exemptions,
>> and often when they are about going bankrupt, they are rescued with
>> tax-money...
>> Hence to make it shorter....
>> For an observer from outside, now that blockade and the shutdown has, as
>> regards content, nothing to do with the healthcare, but is a simple power
>> struggle. (And we all are wondering, that in that difficult economical
>> times
>> and for that purpose, your congress hazards the consequences of an
>> avoidable
>> damage to the real GDP).
>> Healthcare is another topic.
>> Rather a question of mentality and history of a country. Huh, I saw Henry
>> Fonda burying Grampa roadside on the trek to the Promised Land. (eeeek a
>> communist oeuvre?).
>> I for my own at least, being ill & unfit for work for 1.5 years
>> now,(snivel)
>> am pretty glad, that due to my healthcare I only have to dump meteorites
>> but
>> not house & farm & the shirt off my back for my treatment. (And that I have
>> a better perspective thus, than to be healthy again, but then to be forced
>> to wear down a huge mountain of debts until handing over my spoon, as we
>> say
>> here)
>> "over 50 cents goes to taxes of one sort or another"
>> Don't worry, second-most meteorite-retail-dealers behind the U.S. seem to
>> work in Germany;
>> our dues&taxes are much higher (and that while having also on average
>> somewhat higher living costs).
>> It works too.
>> "I think the price of meteorites will just have to go up."
>> Nope.
>> A life without meteorites is possible, but useless.
>> But when the collectors' wallet gets thinner, the meteorites have to get
>> (And the same way the U.S.-dealers don't care a fig for the tax&dues burden
>> of their Germs-colleagues,
>> the Russian and Moroccan colleagues won't care for your tax&dues yoke.
>> Decisive for your success was, is and will always be: the collector).
>> And as always,
>> I could also go wrong with my views,
>> nevertheless,
>> much success to all,
>> & be confident.
>> Martin
>> (disappearing again for the next months...)
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Adam
>> Hupe
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Oktober 2013 02:16
>> An: Adam
>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government
>> shutdown
>> My 10-minute rant since all of this government shutdown business is being
>> postured about!
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