[meteorite-list] OT NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown

From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 10:37:41 -0400
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That makes the most sense of anything I have read lately.

Don't be a stranger around here Martin. :)

Best regards,


PS - watch out, you run the risk of being called "socialist" by people
who have no idea what that word actually means. LOL.

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On 10/3/13, Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> wrote:
> Adam, a silent 12-minute view from outside...
> To me, as far as I can judge at all, the causes of your crises over there
> started much earlier.
> As early as already in the Reagan era, when it started that the
> middle-class
> got bled.
> And further, when the real industry was immolated on the altars of the
> financial industry.
> (Same happened in Europe in UK, under the Thatcherism). Consequently the
> investments in the permanent innovation of the production and
> infrastructure
> were neglected and the money was carried to the horse-race and the bookies.
> (You know, all the bursting bubbles like "new economy" etc.). So you have a
> structural problem. In former times USA imported raw materials and primary
> products and exported products, today it's vice versa.
> Additionally you had a second problem, located more on the other end of the
> political spectrum, that program every US-citizen in his own house (when
> did
> it start, under Carter?), where to each and every one credits were allowed
> for acquiring real estate, without checking whether the people would ever
> be
> able to pay the credit back and that later-on the banks started to trade
> with and to bet on these foul credits, resulting in the real estate &
> banking crises.
> (plus you have the huge gaps in the budget, caused by the last two
> expensive
> wars).
> The other model would be for instance Germany, one of the very few
> countries, which currently seems to get off still very lightly through the
> crises (which is also in Europe the largest economical depression since
> WWII) and is even profiting at the moment from the crises (later on we will
> have to pay, as Germany guarantees for the national debts of other
> EU-countries with a sum higher than its own national budget) because it has
> a different structure.
> Always ridiculed in times of the Big$$ for its poor financial industry and
> the anaemic rate of the economic growth of +/-1% per annum, it lives mainly
> from the production, hence from the "real" industries and the exportation
> (#2 behind China). Despite the crises we have a decent growth of the GNP
> and
> even a bisection of the unemployment during the last 10 years - and that
> all
> with the severe problem of a strongly over-aging society, driving the dues
> for social insurances like health care or old-age provisions in dizzy
> heights.
> Interesting is,that that stability is created mainly by mid-sized
> enterprises and not so by the industrial giants. The latter run after the
> shareholder value and calculate only for the quarterly statements,
> abandoning any long-term-strategy.
> They didn't create new jobs, but permanently make personnel reductions.
> Furthermore they are heftily subsidized with tax money or by tax
> exemptions,
> and often when they are about going bankrupt, they are rescued with
> tax-money...
> Hence to make it shorter....
> For an observer from outside, now that blockade and the shutdown has, as
> regards content, nothing to do with the healthcare, but is a simple power
> struggle. (And we all are wondering, that in that difficult economical
> times
> and for that purpose, your congress hazards the consequences of an
> avoidable
> damage to the real GDP).
> Healthcare is another topic.
> Rather a question of mentality and history of a country. Huh, I saw Henry
> Fonda burying Grampa roadside on the trek to the Promised Land. (eeeek a
> communist oeuvre?).
> I for my own at least, being ill & unfit for work for 1.5 years
> now,(snivel)
> am pretty glad, that due to my healthcare I only have to dump meteorites
> but
> not house & farm & the shirt off my back for my treatment. (And that I have
> a better perspective thus, than to be healthy again, but then to be forced
> to wear down a huge mountain of debts until handing over my spoon, as we
> say
> here)
> "over 50 cents goes to taxes of one sort or another"
> Don't worry, second-most meteorite-retail-dealers behind the U.S. seem to
> work in Germany;
> our dues&taxes are much higher (and that while having also on average
> somewhat higher living costs).
> It works too.
> "I think the price of meteorites will just have to go up."
> Nope.
> A life without meteorites is possible, but useless.
> But when the collectors' wallet gets thinner, the meteorites have to get
> (And the same way the U.S.-dealers don't care a fig for the tax&dues burden
> of their Germs-colleagues,
> the Russian and Moroccan colleagues won't care for your tax&dues yoke.
> Decisive for your success was, is and will always be: the collector).
> And as always,
> I could also go wrong with my views,
> nevertheless,
> much success to all,
> & be confident.
> Martin
> (disappearing again for the next months...)
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Adam
> Hupe
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Oktober 2013 02:16
> An: Adam
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government
> shutdown
> My 10-minute rant since all of this government shutdown business is being
> postured about!
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