[meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology Stuff

From: Count Deiro <countdeiro_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:41:18 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Message-ID: <21717625.1363394479150.JavaMail.root_at_wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Dear List, Mark and Phil,

Phil has said...."It's becoming painfully obvious Mars has always been lifeless."

Really! If it is becoming painfully obvious that Mars has always been lifeless, then what in the hell are we doing spending billions of taxpayer bucks to prove...and notice I said prove...that there was/is life, as we scientifically think of it, on our red neighbor.

According to your premise, spending a significant amount of our own, and our partner nation's, science capital constructing and delivering Curiosity to look precisely for confirming evidence...notice I said confirming...is folly. What have you found out that apparently thousands of the world's scientists aren't aware of?

The Curiosity mission is not one of discovery...it is one of confirmation... and I think it will only take a few million seconds before we know, as you put it.

Regards,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

-----Original Message-----
>From: JoshuaTreeMuseum <joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 15, 2013 11:50 AM
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology Stuff
>
>Mark,
>
>I agree. It's becoming painfully obvious Mars has always been lifeless. If
>it didn't happen there, where conditions were similar to Earth, with all the
>right ingredients and parameters, then I wouldn't hold my breath while
>looking for life in the rest of the Solar System. Abiogenisis is an
>extremely rare thing, maybe even a singularity.
>
>Science cannot define life using current materialist, reductionist,
>physicalist methods. They think life, along with consciousness and
>intelligence are just chance random byproducts of chance random arrangements
>of organic molecules.
>
>Trying to understand life by studying the physical properties of the
>building blocks, where they came from, whether or not the early Earth had a
>reducing atmosphere, etc., etc, is like trying to explain a Van Gogh by
>microprobing his paints.
>
>I'm not ruling out life elsewhere in the Universe, because according to the
>laws of probablility, if something happened once, no matter how weird,
>bizarre and unexplainable it was, there's a chance it will happen again.
>
>
>We'll know more in a million years.
>
>Phil Whitmer
>Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
>
>
>>>>Look deep underground (tough to do from Earth)> - That's fine if your
>>>>looking for Earth style microbes, but until we even formally define life
>>>>(and not just some grey area about self reproducing molecules) would we
>>>>know 'it' if we saw it?
>
>
>
>Seems to me if you chart the historical progress of the hunt for life on
>Mars it's getting a bit thin and desperate, in 100 years we have gone from
>theories of there being colonies of Martians with canals or forests to a
>small chance there may still be a few microbes hanging on deep underground
>near the equator, Nothing wrong with looking and we should, but at some
>point in the near future we should probably give up and start face to
>reality, and think about sending some resources elsewhere - where frankly
>the chances are a looking little bit higher, e.g Europa.
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
>Mulgrew
>Sent: 14 March 2013 19:04
>To: Sterling K. Webb; Meteorite List
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff
>
>Sterling,
>
>Look deep underground (tough to do from Earth), any life remaining on Mars
>will likely be found there.
>
>Michael in so. Cal.
>
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