[meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology Stuff

From: Richard Montgomery <rickmont_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:11:20 -0700
Message-ID: <3D8629B1DDC042AD8F851D139EEA7849_at_bosoheadPC>

I love fishing. You never know what you'll catch, but you can target pretty
well.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dori Fry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "JoshuaTreeMuseum"
<joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology
Stuff


> Metaphysics, Philosophy?
>
> Phil Whitmer
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> To: Dori Fry <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
> Cc: JoshuaTreeMuseum <joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com>,
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:26:48 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology
> Stuff
>
> Phil, List,
>
>> ...our planet is incredibly special, it's the
>> most perfect goldylocksy place ever!
>
> I knew what you were talking about wasn't
> science. Now, I know what it is.
>
> WillyWonkaism
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> -------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dori Fry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
> To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" <joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com>;
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology
> Stuff
>
>
>> Sterling,
>>
>> Nobody knows what life is, plain and simple. The wisest, most wizened
>> theologians and the brightest scientists in the latest techno-labs
>> don't have a clue. Nobody knows what the ghost in the machine is. Or
>> how it arose from matter.
>>
>> What I said was life seems to arisen by chance on our planet, and
>> therefore it could possibly happen again elsewhere.
>>
>> You said: "Is our planet special?" Yes, our planet is incredibly
>> special, it's the most perfect goldylocksy place ever!
>>
>>
>> Yes, 2500 yrs ago all they had were atoms. Nowadays we have quantum
>> particles and a stringy, vibrating web of particle waves that can be
>> two places at once. Matter may not be solid after all. An entirely new
>> parallel universe may be created ever time we make a decision. There
>> may be near infinite copies of each and every one of us. Physics is
>> turning into metaphysics. Materialism as we know it may be fading
>> away. There might be massless forces lacking a Boson that we know
>> nothing about. (The Force.) Particles may have a simple consciousness.
>> For all we know meteorites may be intentionally aiming for the
>> Sahara's soft sands. (Comic relief and steering the thread back the
>> physical world of meteorites.)
>>
>>
>> Phil Whitmer
>> Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: JoshuaTreeMuseum <joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com>,
>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Sent: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:27:38 -0400 (EDT)
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any
>> Exobiology Stuff
>>
>> Phil, List
>>
>> You said:
>>> Science cannot define life using current materialist, reductionism,
>>> physicalist methods. They think life, along with consciousness and
>>> intelligence are just chance random byproducts of chance random
>>> arrangements of organic molecules.
>>
>> That is EXACTLY how science defines life.
>> All science is materialist, reductionism, and
>> physicalist. If you believe something else,
>> then whatever that thing is, it is NOT science.
>>
>> Yet:
>>> I'm not ruling out life elsewhere in the Universe, because according
>>> to the laws of probability...
>>
>> So, life can't arise by chance on OUR planet but
>> it CAN on some other planet. Would you explain
>> the logic of that to me? Or is our planet special?
>>
>> 2500 years of having the structure (and eventually
>> the workings) of matter explained by Leucippus,
>> Democritus, Epicurus, through Galileo, to Dalton,
>> Bohr, Heisenberg, Einstein, and hundreds of others,
>> and you still don't get it.
>>
>> I'll give you a 2500-year-old quote that you can
>> repeat quietly to yourself until you DO get it:
>> "There are atoms and the void and nothing else."
>>
>>
>> Sterling K. Webb
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" <joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:50 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology
>> Stuff
>>
>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> I agree. It's becoming painfully obvious Mars has always been
>>> lifeless. If it didn't happen there, where conditions were similar to
>>> Earth, with all the right ingredients and parameters, then I wouldn't
>>> hold my breath while looking for life in the rest of the Solar
>>> System.
>>> Abiogenisis is an extremely rare thing, maybe even a singularity.
>>>
>>> Science cannot define life using current materialist, reductionist,
>>> physicalist methods. They think life, along with consciousness and
>>> intelligence are just chance random byproducts of chance random
>>> arrangements of organic molecules.
>>>
>>> Trying to understand life by studying the physical properties of the
>>> building blocks, where they came from, whether or not the early Earth
>>> had a reducing atmosphere, etc., etc, is like trying to explain a Van
>>> Gogh by microprobing his paints.
>>>
>>> I'm not ruling out life elsewhere in the Universe, because according
>>> to the laws of probablility, if something happened once, no matter
>>> how
>>> weird, bizarre and unexplainable it was, there's a chance it will
>>> happen again.
>>>
>>>
>>> We'll know more in a million years.
>>>
>>> Phil Whitmer
>>> Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Look deep underground (tough to do from Earth)> - That's fine if
>>>>>>your looking for Earth style microbes, but until we even formally
>>>>>>define life (and not just some grey area about self reproducing
>>>>>>molecules) would we know 'it' if we saw it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems to me if you chart the historical progress of the hunt for life
>>> on Mars it's getting a bit thin and desperate, in 100 years we have
>>> gone from theories of there being colonies of Martians with canals or
>>> forests to a small chance there may still be a few microbes hanging
>>> on
>>> deep underground near the equator, Nothing wrong with looking and we
>>> should, but at some point in the near future we should probably give
>>> up and start face to reality, and think about sending some resources
>>> elsewhere - where frankly the chances are a looking little bit
>>> higher,
>>> e.g Europa.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Michael Mulgrew
>>> Sent: 14 March 2013 19:04
>>> To: Sterling K. Webb; Meteorite List
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff
>>>
>>> Sterling,
>>>
>>> Look deep underground (tough to do from Earth), any life remaining on
>>> Mars will likely be found there.
>>>
>>> Michael in so. Cal.
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